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    OC at the RMNP

    Decided that we needed to get out of town and enjoy some nature. So, the wife and piled the kids in the minivan and headed up to Estes and into the Rocky Mountain National Park. I was dressed in jeans/tshirt with my S&W 642 in a SERPA holster carried cross-draw.

    We stopped at one of the scenic viewpoints to look around and take a couple of pictures. Had a couple of long looks but not a word was said. I just smiled the whole time and did my best to be friendly and disarming (so to say). I did notice an asian family (guessing Japanese) taking a family-1 picture so I stopped, smiled, and to offered to take the picture of the whole family. They noticed I was carrying after they handed me the camera but didn't react much until after the picture was done. Even then, all they did was to stare for an extra few moments and chat quickly amongst each other.

    We drove up to the Alpine Visitor Center and had lunch in the parking lot. Lots of people walking by, a couple of nods but mostly absolutely not noticed. The kids wanted to go in the visitor's center to do the junior ranger program (which they do at every park we visit), so I locked the gun in the car and entered the visitor center wearing an empty holster. Very prominently posted as are all the visitor centers. I did check out the bathrooms and noticed something of interest. The bathrooms are accessible from both inside the visitor center and from outside as well. They are NOT posted from the outside and there are not postings going from the bathroom into the visitor center. Seems someone could possibly use the bathroom and inadvertently wander into the visitor center without ever seeing a posted sign. All the other restrooms (more latrines than restrooms) along the road are not posted as far as I could tell.

    We finished up in the visitor center and walked over to the Trail Ridge Store which is a privately owned gift shop and food vendor there. I ran back over to the car before loading up and going in. This building is not posted at all and there were no rangers in the building. Carried there with no problems.

    The rest of the day was spent hiking one of the trails, climbing some big rocks with the kids. We did stumble upon a huge herd of elk along the side of the road and parked to get out and take some pictures. Again, I did my best to be friendly and outgoing and it was a non-issue with no comments and just a few second looks. Saw a lot more elk and then on the way out, we came upon a line of cars that were stopped. We pulled off and noticed that there was a bear up on the hill a few hundred yards from the road. We watched and snapped a few pictures. I chatted up a few other people who were watching the bear and then we left.

    All in all a great day with carrying being the non-issue it should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eBratt View Post
    All in all a great day with carrying being the non-issue it should be.
    Howdy Pardner!
    Another day of 'nothing untoward happened'. That's pretty much Colorado for ya, when it comes to open carry.

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    So is an NPS port-a-potty a federal building?

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    There's gotta be a joke in there somewhere about it being appropriate or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by O2HeN2 View Post
    So is an NPS port-a-potty a federal building?

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    There's gotta be a joke in there somewhere about it being appropriate or something...
    The big delineation for carry prohibition is "Where PS personnel regularly perform their duties" (may not be exact) so unless the port-a-potty is where some paper shuffler does his main work the answer is NO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    The big delineation for carry prohibition is "Where PS personnel regularly perform their duties" (may not be exact) so unless the port-a-potty is where some paper shuffler does his main work the answer is NO.
    Heh heh, he said "doodies", heh heh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    The big delineation for carry prohibition is "Where PS personnel regularly perform their duties" (may not be exact) so unless the port-a-potty is where some paper shuffler does his main work the answer is NO.
    Well if the person who cleans it is a .gov employee then it would be a place where they regularly perform their duties and doodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Taliesin View Post
    Howdy Pardner!
    Another day of 'nothing untoward happened'. That's pretty much Colorado for ya, when it comes to open carry.

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    I have OC'd up at RMNP and no one said a word. In fact, prior to OC'ing I called the park office and asked them about OC'ing. Their response was it's legal and they have to allow it. The only places you cannot carry will have the gun in the red circle and slash through it. Bathrooms are ok as long as they are not within buildings that have the no guns sign.

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    Carrying in the great outdoors like that is one of the few instances where I consider my .50 Desert Eagle the practical choice for a sidearm. Its as likely I may have to fend off a bear or cougar attack as being accosted by an armed thug (statistically neither high, but due to location the types of threats change).

    I know that they changed the carry in National Parks rules (one of the few positive things I actually credit Obama's administration for). How does it work now, as per state law the park is in, or OC only & no CC? Not an area I've brushed up on since changes as I haven't been up there much lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxxon View Post
    Carrying in the great outdoors like that is one of the few instances where I consider my .50 Desert Eagle the practical choice for a sidearm. Its as likely I may have to fend off a bear or cougar attack as being accosted by an armed thug (statistically neither high, but due to location the types of threats change).

    I know that they changed the carry in National Parks rules (one of the few positive things I actually credit Obama's administration for). How does it work now, as per state law the park is in, or OC only & no CC? Not an area I've brushed up on since changes as I haven't been up there much lately.
    It wasn't really Obama that wanted to pass the law. It was a rider to a Credit Card bill that he wanted to sign, so it was either accept the whole bill into law or shoot it down. The Nat'l Parks are following law of the state that their park is in. So, if a state allows OC or CC you can do so in the NPS.

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    OC at the RMNP

    Just be careful when a park spans multiple states with different laws. So much for full faith and credit, but I'd rather not have federal carry laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxxon View Post
    Carrying in the great outdoors like that is one of the few instances where I consider my .50 Desert Eagle the practical choice for a sidearm. Its as likely I may have to fend off a bear or cougar attack as being accosted by an armed thug (statistically neither high, but due to location the types of threats change).

    I know that they changed the carry in National Parks rules (one of the few positive things I actually credit Obama's administration for). How does it work now, as per state law the park is in, or OC only & no CC? Not an area I've brushed up on since changes as I haven't been up there much lately.
    WRONG!!!! The Republicans tacked the "carry in parks" provision onto a bill Obummer really wanted; HE HAD NO CHOICE if he wanted his part he HAD to accept the carry part. A common tactic Dem-o-craps use and I dislike non-germane provision in bills, but it is the way the game in played in DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F350 View Post
    A common tactic Dem-o-craps use and I dislike non-germane provision in bills, but it is the way the game in played in DC.
    Common from both parties.

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    OC at the RMNP

    The park carry provision is in line with President Obama's view on gun control... It's a state issue, not a federal issue. The current law says "follow the state's law. Sounds consistent to me.

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