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    Meetup 8/14/2012 Great Lakes Crossing Mall

    Auburn Hills, MI, 6 pm (mall closes at 9pm). Meet outside the mall in front of the Bass Pro entrance. Bass Pro is on the north side of the mall.

    We'll wait about 10-15 minutes, then go in. Lots of opportunities to shop, snack, and eat. If you're late, feel free to walk around and join up with us if you see us.

    If anyone wants my mobile number for commo to find us if you're late, PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCSGM View Post
    sounds good to meet other open carry
    try to make it
    anyone else?
    A couple of other guys expressed direct interest in this, and they'll probably be there.
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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    I'll try to make it. I believe I've got your cell # in case I can't find the group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    I believe I've got your cell # in case I can't find the group.
    If anyone else wants my mobile number, PM me.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    Since LGOC is lawful in Michigan:

    Taubman, the company that owns the mall and other locations, permits holstered handgun OC. It is unknown to me how they would react to LGOC. Possible reactions include: nothing at all, prohibit LGOC, re-think and prohibit all OC, or prohibit all weapons.

    I do know that what is uppermost in their minds is making their guests happy, and of course that includes their perception of how to achieve that. They have always reserved the right to ask any guest to leave or to change their rules, and it was made clear to me personally by the VP I spoke to a few years ago that, while they agreed to permit handgun OC, the aforementioned rights still applied.

    I have no information on whether or not Taubman is ready to accept LGOC or what their reaction would be to it. It could be nothing or it could be an over-reaction.

    Taubman has been good to OC'ers, and we should consider them friends. When it comes to friends, my personal policy that I pass along as advice is: do what your friends are used to you doing, and talk to them about anything substantially new that they may experience from you before you expose them to it.

    Taubman is our friend. I would recommend, before LGOC'ing at their property, explain it to them and ask them if they could accept it at this time or not.
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    Sounds great to me. I added it to my calendar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    Since LGOC is lawful in Michigan:

    Taubman, the company that owns the mall and other locations, permits holstered handgun OC. It is unknown to me how they would react to LGOC. Possible reactions include: nothing at all, prohibit LGOC, re-think and prohibit all OC, or prohibit all weapons.

    I do know that what is uppermost in their minds is making their guests happy, and of course that includes their perception of how to achieve that. They have always reserved the right to ask any guest to leave or to change their rules, and it was made clear to me personally by the VP I spoke to a few years ago that, while they agreed to permit handgun OC, the aforementioned rights still applied.

    I have no information on whether or not Taubman is ready to accept LGOC or what their reaction would be to it. It could be nothing or it could be an over-reaction.

    Taubman has been good to OC'ers, and we should consider them friends. When it comes to friends, my personal policy that I pass along as advice is: do what your friends are used to you doing, and talk to them about anything substantially new that they may experience from you before you expose them to it.

    Taubman is our friend. I would recommend, before LGOC'ing at their property, explain it to them and ask them if they could accept it at this time or not.
    Thank you for that courtesy Dan.

    I have spoken with the head of security there about this. Although they do welcome Handgun OC, and are well aware of the legality of LGOC, they have told me specifically that they do not wish to have LG in the mall. They are indeed freinds to open carry, and we should treat them with our thanks, and our dollars.

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    Link didnt work for me, I have to use a back door. Be more specific.

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    Last edited by DanM; 08-09-2012 at 08:25 PM.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCSGM View Post
    i'm out
    Sorry to hear that. Since any public gathering in Michigan, particularly SE Michigan, might have the presence of anyone that's causing you to be "out", I guess you're "out" on those as well.

    That's too bad.
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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    Im glad you're not going, we don't need your kind there.

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    If you have something to say to me, you have the opportunity, but let's not do this on the threads. After you have established yourself here for a while, maybe I'll play with you a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCSGM View Post
    Not all. Just those where convicted criminals and those with a propensity to commit criminal activities are expected to be in attendance.
    Just wondering if you ask anyone that might be around you at anytime to provide a background check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCSGM View Post
    Just those where convicted criminals and those with a propensity to commit criminal activities are expected to be in attendance.
    How will you be able to tell?
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

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    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    I wonder what HCSGM stands for...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    I wonder what HCSGM stands for...?
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    ew

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    Last edited by TheQ; 08-10-2012 at 12:16 AM.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    ^ prolly this. High Carbon Steel Government Model

    Hmmm, a spinoff of a stainless1911? I smell a Pat
    Last edited by stainless1911; 08-10-2012 at 12:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    ^ prolly this. High Carbon Steel Government Model

    That's an interesting interpretation.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    ...
    Okay, what did I miss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    ew
    "If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to."
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Okay, what did I miss?
    I shouldn't, but...


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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    If you have something to say to me, you have the opportunity, but let's not do this on the threads. After you have established yourself here for a while, maybe I'll play with you a little.
    Dude when are you going to learn not to feed Pat?

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