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    Banning guns for political groups

    I would like to congratulate Mr. Horwitz, we can finally agree on the subject. i too think that we should have gun control on people of a political bent. the progressive neo-nazi can be one of the groups we speak of. all though it will b hard to do that if they have done no harm. but, maybe we can ban all the progressives from having a firearm. just think the shooter in Tucson was a progressive, as was most of the mass shooters we have had these days. the group that was totally against citizens with guns, was the old Nazis. a very progressive group. one of the first things they did was ban citizens from firearms so only they had them. look at the green party(the new red). i think most of them should be banned from having firearms.

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    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    No.

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    The 2nd Amendment does not say if you belong to the right political party this applies to you.

    Just the People....
    Freedom is a bit like sex, when your getting it you take it for granted, when you're not you want it bad, other people get mad at you for having it and others want to take it away from you so only they have it.

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    Jewish people should know that gun control does not work ... they did that in Nazi Germany (worked like a charm for them) ... so maybe it works only for some people.

    Why would neo-Nazi's be a target? I'm not worried about them.

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    Thumbs down NO!

    The party in power today, that bans guns from the party you don't like today, may be the party that would be subject to a gun ban tomorrow because the formerly banned party would be in power.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    I would like to congratulate Mr. Horwitz, we can finally agree on the subject. i too think that we should have gun control on people of a political bent. the progressive neo-nazi can be one of the groups we speak of. all though it will b hard to do that if they have done no harm. but, maybe we can ban all the progressives from having a firearm. just think the shooter in Tucson was a progressive, as was most of the mass shooters we have had these days. the group that was totally against citizens with guns, was the old Nazis. a very progressive group. one of the first things they did was ban citizens from firearms so only they had them. look at the green party(the new red). i think most of them should be banned from having firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I'm all for trying new things, go for it; you can come to my door first...I'll be wait'n.
    It figures, someone who supports theft, extortion, and other criminal activities would be only too willing to defend herself.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    It figures, someone who supports theft, extortion, and other criminal activities would be only too willing to defend herself.
    I've defended myself before, and I will not hesitate to do it again. *reade wrong*

    Yes, I do support theft, extortion, and other criminal activities...from your perspective.
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    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I've defended myself before, and I will not hesitate to do it again. *reade wrong*

    Yes, I do support theft, extortion, and other criminal activities...from your perspective.
    You tell him !




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    I recently commented on a similar thread on The High Road regarding "hate groups" and guns. the real debate there was whether new jersey with a question on their purchase permit application was meant to fish for hate group membership.

    There are felony laws already on the books that make it illegal to conspire to deprive someone of their civil rights, and make it illegal to pledge violent overthrow of the US or a State government. If the Sihk shooter had in fact been on the FBIs radar, then obviously he must have not been active enough in doing either since he was never prosecuted.

    also The mailer makes the absurd implication that someone should be denied their rights because a non governmental private interest group labels any associations of his as a "hate group" but hey i guess i'm preaching to the choir here.

    No, he should not have been denied his rights based off of what the government knew at the time he purchased the firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix David View Post
    The 2nd Amendment does not say if you belong to the right political party this applies to you.

    Just the People....
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Jewish people should know that gun control does not work ... they did that in Nazi Germany (worked like a charm for them) ... so maybe it works only for some people.

    Why would neo-Nazi's be a target? I'm not worried about them.
    you mean you people would want to see "occupy wall street bunch " carrying? talk about hate groups
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    you mean you people would want to see "occupy wall street bunch " carrying? talk about hate groups
    The solution is so simple, just look at prohibition. Let everybody sell or own guns. Mass shootings would stop. It's funny the wild west was never wild, and a nation full of civilized laws is not civil. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    you mean you people would want to see "occupy wall street bunch " carrying? talk about hate groups
    I'm more concerned about the government having weapons than occupiers. You want to talk about hate groups? That's the deadliest one right there. They're more deadly and dangerous than even terrorists, to top it off, they hate us more than terrorists do.
    Last edited by Jack House; 08-09-2012 at 11:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out.
    Wow just about lost a shot of vodka when I read that.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    you mean you people would want to see "occupy wall street bunch " carrying? talk about hate groups
    I'm not worried about OWS carrying. Why, are you?

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    Woah woah woah wait a minute here. The op uses nazi and progressives interchangably. They are polar opposites. Secondly, do the words shall not be infringed mean anything. Third, in nazi Germany they had similar gun laws as we do here in the US now. In fact hitler helped to loosen the laws and encouraged gun ownership by citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy Sprocket View Post
    Woah woah woah wait a minute here. The op uses nazi and progressives interchangably. They are polar opposites. Secondly, do the words shall not be infringed mean anything. Third, in nazi Germany they had similar gun laws as we do here in the US now. In fact hitler helped to loosen the laws and encouraged gun ownership by citizens.
    If that is indeed true could you post a cite for the statement in bold?

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    It's a serious misinterpretation of history to say that the Nazis relaxed gun laws. The Weimar government implemented gun control (as the party in power) in an effort to control the Nazis. The Nazis extended these rules to hold power after political victories in 1933.
    The use of laws to hold power is the nature of a standing government.

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    I did a google search and it's on guncite.com somewhere. I also have another source, but I can't find it in a decent amount of time. I know, how convenient.

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    The real test of freedom......

    We find someone else's use of freedom disturbing so we want to curtail it. It is an unfortunate factor of human nature. Bobby Seals and the Black Panthers were following existing laws and carrying guns around California in the 1960s. It annoyed and scared officials who reacted by banning weapon carry. They took freedom from those they did not like, but WE ALL LOST FREEDOM as a result. Truely embracing freedom means that the "other guy" get his share of it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy Sprocket View Post
    Third, in nazi Germany they had similar gun laws as we do here in the US now. In fact hitler helped to loosen the laws and encouraged gun ownership by citizens.
    That's not exactly true. The post WWI Weimar government passed incredibly strict gun control laws in order to abide by certain conditions of the treaty of Versailles, which declared a maximum number of guns that were allowed to be in German hands. the wording of the treaty didn't differentiate between arms borne by the military and arms borne by the citizenry.

    In 1928, the Weimar Republic relaxed the laws, allowing firearms ownership, but which maintained strict controls on that possession..

    The 1938 revision, under Hitler, erased restrictions upon long guns and ammunition, but maintained strict control over handguns. The new law maintained that licenses for ownership and would be granted only to people "whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit." .

    An accompanying law forbade firearms ownership of any kind to the Jews. Almost immediately following this new law, The Nazi regime enacted the Kristallnachte pogrom against the Jewish populace.

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    national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

    i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

    i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes
    I think we should move them all to California, they like them there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

    i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes
    If a person agrees that there is only one type of Progressive.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    ya'll do realize that such divisive attitudes won't win much sympathy for OC, right? instead it'll help everyone stereotype us as hateful and divisive, which is what they want. Bravo for helping the other side.

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