Banning guns for political groups

unreconstructed1 · Aug 13, 2012

Davy Sprocket said:
Third, in nazi Germany they had similar gun laws as we do here in the US now. In fact hitler helped to loosen the laws and encouraged gun ownership by citizens.

That's not exactly true. The post WWI Weimar government passed incredibly strict gun control laws in order to abide by certain conditions of the treaty of Versailles, which declared a maximum number of guns that were allowed to be in German hands. the wording of the treaty didn't differentiate between arms borne by the military and arms borne by the citizenry.

In 1928, the Weimar Republic relaxed the laws, allowing firearms ownership, but which maintained strict controls on that possession..

The 1938 revision, under Hitler, erased restrictions upon long guns and ammunition, but maintained strict control over handguns. The new law maintained that licenses for ownership and would be granted only to people "whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit." .

An accompanying law forbade firearms ownership of any kind to the Jews. Almost immediately following this new law, The Nazi regime enacted the Kristallnachte pogrom against the Jewish populace.

papa bear · Aug 13, 2012

national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes

WalkingWolf · Aug 13, 2012

papa bear said:
national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes

I think we should move them all to California, they like them there...

Beretta92FSLady · Aug 13, 2012

papa bear said:
national socialist party = progressives, progressives = national socialist party. no difference

i also think progressives ought to pay more taxes

If a person agrees that there is only one type of Progressive.

unreconstructed1 · Aug 13, 2012

ya'll do realize that such divisive attitudes won't win much sympathy for OC, right? instead it'll help everyone stereotype us as hateful and divisive, which is what they want. Bravo for helping the other side.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 13, 2012

unreconstructed1 said:
ya'll do realize that such divisive attitudes won't win much sympathy for OC, right? instead it'll help everyone stereotype us as hateful and divisive, which is what they want. Bravo for helping the other side.

Anti's are going to hate gun owners no matter what. I like the diverse and varying opinions people have even when I don't agree with socialist/progressive/neocons/neoliberal train of thought.

Beretta92FSLady · Aug 13, 2012

unreconstructed1 said:
ya'll do realize that such divisive attitudes won't win much sympathy for OC, right? instead it'll help everyone stereotype us as hateful and divisive, which is what they want. Bravo for helping the other side.

Personally, I'm not looking for sympathy with regard to my Second Amendment stance. What people will see, when they look below the icky surface of our bickering, is a group of individuals that OC and CC, and if they were to attend one of our fine BBQ's, they would see a wide range of political views interacting in a civil manner, and in a way that is not seen any other place. IMO, this is the most civil, free, un-censored, adult forum that I have ever been too.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 13, 2012

Beretta92FSLady said:
Personally, I'm not looking for sympathy with regard to my Second Amendment stance. What people will see, when they look below the icky surface of our bickering, is a group of individuals that OC and CC, and if they were to attend one of our fine BBQ's, they would see a wide range of political views interacting in a civil manner, and in a way that is not seen any other place. IMO, this is the most civil, free, un-censored, adult forum that I have ever been too.

You missed a good one in July here in Bellingham. Great area for the kids to play, I am thinking you would have enjoyed the same eye candy I did.......hehe.

If you get a chance come on Sundays, every Sunday 10 Am Bakerview Starbucks off of the Northwest exit.

unreconstructed1 · Aug 13, 2012

Beretta92FSLady said:
Personally, I'm not looking for sympathy with regard to my Second Amendment stance. What people will see, when they look below the icky surface of our bickering, is a group of individuals that OC and CC, and if they were to attend one of our fine BBQ's, they would see a wide range of political views interacting in a civil manner, and in a way that is not seen any other place. IMO, this is the most civil, free, un-censored, adult forum that I have ever been too.

I've got to admit, this place has changed in my absence.

papa bear · Aug 14, 2012

Beretta92FSLady said:
If a person agrees that there is only one type of Progressive.

not sure what you mean. George Bush- progressive, Barry Sotero - progressive, Newt Gingrich - progressive, Hilary Clinton- progressive

Freedom1Man · Aug 14, 2012

papa bear said:
not sure what you mean. George Bush- progressive, Barry Sotero - progressive, Newt Gingrich - progressive, Hilary Clinton- progressive

They are also for more big government and are all criminals.

Hmmm....

Beretta92FSLady · Aug 15, 2012

sudden valley gunner said:
You missed a good one in July here in Bellingham. Great area for the kids to play, I am thinking you would have enjoyed the same eye candy I did.......hehe.

If you get a chance come on Sundays, every Sunday 10 Am Bakerview Starbucks off of the Northwest exit.

I will try to make it up there. Yes, we would have enjoyed the same eye candy...I like eye candy, it's soo sweet.

JohnMoses · Aug 15, 2012

I don't care what political group you belong to, it is your God given right to own a gun.

papa bear · Aug 15, 2012

Freedom1Man said:
They are also for more big government and are all criminals.

Hmmm....

that is one of the reasons to call them progressives

JohnMoses said:
I don't care what political group you belong to, it is your God given right to own a gun.

but the point is they don't believe in God. so how does that logic work?

so maybe if they don't believe in God than they shouldn't be allowed a firearm

nonameisgood · Aug 16, 2012

papa bear said:
so maybe if they don't believe in God than they shouldn't be allowed a firearm

You don't really want to go there. I think you will find that atheists are at least as moral and less likely to be part of hate groups than religious people. Not to berate believers, only to point out that your idea is utterly without basis or reason.

papa bear · Aug 17, 2012

nonameisgood said:
You don't really want to go there. I think you will find that atheists are at least as moral and less likely to be part of hate groups than religious people. Not to berate believers, only to point out that your idea is utterly without basis or reason.

how can someone be moral if they have no bases for being moral.

where is the determining factor for their "morality" ?

think about it........ it is the determining factor of the violence of the 20th century

OC for ME · Aug 17, 2012

Without a core belief system beyond "societal group think" "moral" is a relative term. What is moral to you may not be moral to another. Atheists are only as moral as morality is defined by society norms, democracy. Therefore a atheist who is moral today may not be moral tomorrow. Tough life to live.

Some folks consider members of NAMBLA as being moral.

nonameisgood · Aug 17, 2012

I know a number of atheists, some who were born into it, some who lost faith later in life. They are decidedly focused on living a good life and making their lives count. The only people I know who consciously and repeatedly lie, cheat, and steal are religious, not because of it, but in spite of what they say on Sunday mornings. One has nothing to do with the other.

Look around this site. The people looking to scripture to justify being ready for, and visiting violence upon others, are not the atheists.

papa bear · Aug 18, 2012

well it would be silly for atheist to look to scripture for justification. unless of course if they are trying to hide behind religion

of course that is the difference between religion and faith.

look at the last century.

Jack House · Aug 18, 2012

papa bear said:
how can someone be moral if they have no bases for being moral.

where is the determining factor for their "morality" ?

think about it........ it is the determining factor of the violence of the 20th century

Only a criminal needs laws to tell him what is right and what is wrong.

Only the immoral need the bible or God(s) to tell them what is moral and immoral.

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