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    Romney and Ryan..

    Word around the media and political camp-fire is that Romney is going to select Paul Ryan. The article:
    "But Republican sources told NBC News, the Huffington Post, the Associated Press and CNN that Romney is expected to name Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin--reports the campaign refused to confirm. In addition, ABC News's Jon Karl reported that former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio--all of whom were said to be on Romney's short list--have all been told they are not the pick." http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/m...032140054.html
    IMO, Romney made a damn good move, although, he could have made better, but I won't get into that.

    Ryan's stance on the Second Amendment:


    Paul Ryan on The Second Amendment
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    National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011
    In November of 2011, the House passed the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011. The legislation was designed to amend the federal criminal code to authorize a person who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state to carry a concealed handgun in another state in accordance with the restrictions of that state. It passed the House with the support of almost all Republicans and about 1/4 of the Democrats. Paul Ryan voted in favor of the reciprocity legislation.

    Paul Ryan voted in favor of the reciprocity legislation.



    http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Pro...ond_Amendment/
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    I like Ryan, I just don't know how high he'll score on the likability scale (which is incredibly important) But Ryan is bright, and a solid eye on the prize conservative. I suppose anyone who Romney picks will be demonized and run through the coals though

    Not to beat a dead horse but Romney has to pick a very conservative, pro-gun RM to make up for his previous..... mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Not to beat a dead horse but Romney has to pick a very conservative, pro-gun RM to make up for his previous..... mistakes.
    Wayne LaPierre woulda been my first pick for Romney.
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    Now too bad we could not get a better person then romney we would be good to go.
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    Nobody votes for VP ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Nobody votes for VP ...
    I am not sure if you are referencing a recent article that had come out regarding the VP's affect on a campaign. Basically, it stated that there is no gain by the VP choice. McCain is a wonderful example. Romney, well, maybe he will break that sort of losing streak, but I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I am not sure if you are referencing a recent article that had come out regarding the VP's affect on a campaign. Basically, it stated that there is no gain by the VP choice. McCain is a wonderful example. Romney, well, maybe he will break that sort of losing streak, but I doubt it.

    Not referencing anything other than experience ... unless one picks Hitler, it would have no effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Not referencing anything other than experience ... unless one picks Hitler, it would have no effect.
    He would be an interesting running mate. I get this picture in my head of Hitler from Inglorious Bastards (Terentino).--red-faced, pounding a desk, lashing out as an adult because as a child he didn't get all the lollipops he wanted from some store clerk who happen to be a handicap black jewish gay man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I am not sure if you are referencing a recent article that had come out regarding the VP's affect on a campaign. Basically, it stated that there is no gain by the VP choice. McCain is a wonderful example. Romney, well, maybe he will break that sort of losing streak, but I doubt it.
    It seems to me that picking Sarah put a lot more life into McCain's campaign.


    Not referencing anything other than experience ... unless one picks Hitler, it would have no effect.

    Picking Hitler would probably get a lot more liberal votes. Hell, Obama might even secretly vote for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hjmoosejaw View Post
    It seems to me that picking Sarah put a lot more life into McCain's campaign.
    Nah, picking Palin was exactly how it looked: An act of desperation.


    Picking Hitler would probably get a lot more liberal votes. Hell, Obama might even secretly vote for him.
    Hitler was a Christian Conservative family guy who was hell-bent on doing God's Work.
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    I know that I started this thread, and it is my best intention to be serious in this thread, as it is in this section, but it's difficult. I swear the GOP is bent on losing this election.

    Back on topic here:
    7 full quotes on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.
    • Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
    • Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
    • Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
    • Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
    • National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
    • Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
    • Allow reloading spent military small arms ammunition. (Apr 2009)


    http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Pau...m/#Gun_Control
    I suppose what I would like to know is: Where did Ryan conclude there ought to be a one-day waiting period, and not a three-day? It seems odd that he would insist that there be some sort of waiting period on receiving firearms.

    And another article:
    Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s selection of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as his running mate on Saturday energized the Republican base, but it also elicited an unusual amount of glee from prominent Democrats, many of whom believe he’s the ideal candidate for President Barack Obama to run against.http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/1...beral-america/
    (BTW, the latter link just came up on my Google search, don't mistaken my linking it up for me reading the page)

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    If I were a betting man, I'd put money on Romney to win, unless he opens his mouth and inserts his foot up to the knee. The economy is, I believe, going to be the most crucial factor in this election, followed closely by perception of leadership.

    Another factor which I would not discount is the revelation that Fast and Furious was not an effort to trace guns into Mexico, but a sanctioned arming of the Sinaloa cartel in exchange for intelligence on the other cartels. That was the charge made by a high-ranking member of that cartel who is now in U.S. custody.

    FWIW, this is also one of the dirtiest political campaigns I've seen in my lifetime. If there were a viable third choice with a platform I could live with, that is who I would vote for. There is not, so the choices are either Romney or Obama.

    What is going to be most interesting to me is what happens between the election in November and the inauguration in January. Anyone want to take a stab at that prognostication?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired;1806179[snippers
    What is going to be most interesting to me is what happens between the election in November and the inauguration in January. Anyone want to take a stab at that prognostication?
    I heard the mumbling from the Left when W. was leaving office, that between November and January, something would arise, and he would impose Marshal Law, blah, blah, blah.

    Things will go as planned if President Obama is not reelected.
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    More on Ryan:

    1. His budget plans include big cuts, and there's ample room for Democrats to continue with their "Romneyhood narrative." The nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities estimates 62 percent of Ryan's cuts are to programs for the poor.
    2. Ryan's budget proposals have included big changes to Medicare - including gradually replacing the program with a voucher program for private health care, and gradually raising the retirement age. That could scare older Americans, a crucial voting bloc.

    3. He voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. While a lot of other Republicans did too, and it was proposed by the Bush administration, some have viewed it as a rejection of the conservative economic values Ryan and hard-line fiscal conservatives espouse.
    4. He's easily pegged as Washington insider. He's been in Congress since 1999, and before that he worked as a congressional staffer. Congressional approval ratings are abysmally low- a recent CBS News/NY Times poll showed that only 12 percent of voters approve of the way Congress is doing its job.
    5. This is both a pro and a con to Ryan, depending on who you ask, but he's notably further to the left on the issue of lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender rights than the base of the party. He broke with a lot of his party to support the Employee Non-Discrimination Act in 2007. He explained his reasoning for the vote in this way: "They [his gay friends] didn't roll out of bed one morning and choose to be gay. That's who they are."
    http://news.yahoo.com/5-things-mitt-...162758609.html
    There are a couple of items in there--I won't point them out--that will not make Conservatives too happy. It's interesting, bu Ryan is Left'ish when it comes to some things; not nearly Left enough to get Left votes though.

    I am excited to see how this unfolds from both sides of the isle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I heard the mumbling from the Left when W. was leaving office, that between November and January, something would arise, and he would impose Marshal Law, blah, blah, blah.

    Things will go as planned if President Obama is not reelected.
    Dear Lady, I most sincerely hope you are right on the money and that there is an orderly transfer of power if Obama is not returned to office. But, we would all be rather foolish not to be mentally and physically prepared for the other possibility.

    I can see where, if there were major civil unrest, martial law would be declared and the entire country pretty well locked down for a time. Where I am, there have already been some disturbing comments from the segments of society most likely to riot both if he is not re-elected and if he is re-elected.

    Me? Paranoid? You bet your sweet bippy I am!! How do you think I managed to live this many years?

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    Paul Ryan is a big-government neocon nitwit. He voted for TARP, the Patriot Act, NDAA, DHS, TSA, GM bailout. His own budget plan increases the debt by trillions and wouldn't balance the budget until the year 2040.

    I am astounded at how so many people think this fake is for small government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Paul Ryan is a big-government neocon nitwit. He voted for TARP, the Patriot Act, NDAA, DHS, TSA, GM bailout. His own budget plan increases the debt by trillions and wouldn't balance the budget until the year 2040.

    I am astounded at how so many people think this fake is for small government.

    Well I have to agree with you on this after doing some digging around he is just another neocon that is certainly not the small government he says he is or what I assumed he was from talking with over conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Paul Ryan is a big-government neocon nitwit. He voted for TARP, the Patriot Act, NDAA, DHS, TSA, GM bailout. His own budget plan increases the debt by trillions and wouldn't balance the budget until the year 2040.

    I am astounded at how so many people think this fake is for small government.
    Ditto. As far as I'm concerned, Romney and Ryan deserve each other. Mitt probably only picked him because he thought Ryan would bump Romney's "conservative credibility".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Nah, picking Palin was exactly how it looked: An act of desperation.




    Hitler was a Christian Conservative family guy who was hell-bent on doing God's Work.
    Horse crap!! Hitler was no more of a Christian than obama. He might have claimed to be Christain (like obama) but in NO WAY was he a Christain. Hitler was a socialist as was the nazi party, just like someone else we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople View Post
    Horse crap!! Hitler was no more of a Christian than obama. He might have claimed to be Christain (like obama) but in NO WAY was he a Christain. Hitler was a socialist as was the nazi party, just like someone else we know.
    Of course Hitler wasn't. A person couldn't possibly be a Christian, and a Socialist, at the same time *sniggers*
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I like Ryan, I just don't know how high he'll score on the likability scale (which is incredibly important) But Ryan is bright, and a solid eye on the prize conservative. I suppose anyone who Romney picks will be demonized and run through the coals though

    Not to beat a dead horse but Romney has to pick a very conservative, pro-gun RM to make up for his previous..... mistakes.
    Ryan voted for the bail outs, what else needs to be said. He said he "was voting against his principles" when he voted YES, so what kind of a man is he if his own principles don't mean anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerClose View Post
    Paul Ryan is a big-government neocon nitwit. He voted for TARP, the Patriot Act, NDAA, DHS, TSA, GM bailout. His own budget plan increases the debt by trillions and wouldn't balance the budget until the year 2040.

    I am astounded at how so many people think this fake is for small government.
    Exactly! It is amazing how people believe whatever comes out of the speakers on the TV. Both of these fools are no better than Obama!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Ryan voted for the bail outs, what else needs to be said. He said he "was voting against his principles" when he voted YES, so what kind of a man is he if his own principles don't mean anything?
    He is a Politician.

    Here's two Principle men:
    The bottom line is that Dr. Paul and his son do not appear to be trying to blow up the Republican Party. They seem to realize that they have a better chance of advancing their goals in the long run by working within the system. For all the talk about being revolutionaries, Dr. Paul wants to see his movement become mainstream. http://communities.washingtontimes.c...k-mitt-romney/
    And this whole time I thought Dr. Paul wasn't a Republican, and wasn't interested in being part of the Establishment.--they seem to run into the same philosophical conundrum that Anarchist run into in their quest to become mainstream, without being mainstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    He is a Politician.

    Here's two Principle men:

    And this whole time I thought Dr. Paul wasn't a Republican, and wasn't interested in being part of the Establishment.--they seem to run into the same philosophical conundrum that Anarchist run into in their quest to become mainstream, without being mainstream.
    Don't you mean hipsters? Because none of the Anarchists I know care about the mainstream at all.

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    Our current president has done nothing but uphold the Constitution and laws of the US, with his own views, as every other president has. Not liberal enough for many, not conservative enough for others.
    First, there will be orderly transition, unless you interfere. If you really think a US president would try to hold power by force, you are an idiot. Of course, we The People do still have the tools required to enforce an election, should that become necessary. Trust but verify.
    Second, so many people are fond of saying President Obama isn't a Christian, because they forget that they condemned him for listening to baptist preacher Jeremiah Wright. He is a Christian, not that being something else or nothing at all is a disqualification from being a good president.
    Third, Nazis were extremist, but not really right, not really left. The use of "socialist" was a poor word choice by Hitler, since he strongly believed in private property and the initiative it brings, and that destiny was controlled by a small group of people. He was anti-democratic, and obviously believed this ideal applied to his chosen people. He was not a traditional socialist and disavowed Marxist socialism, because it adhered to democratic principles and eschewed private property (exactly the opposite of Hitler's poorly-informed view of economics.)
    Fourth, hitler was an occultist who used Christianity as a weapon and reason to do bad things - he was not the first nor last to do so.
    Finally, you can't really categorize someone who was inconsistent - the only thing Hitler consistently was, was a delusional politician bent on getting and holding power.

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