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    Church?

    I've been searching all over the net, and can't find my answer. Is it legal to OC at church in Nevada?

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    There is no statute that prohibits OC in a Church, however a church is private property. Sounds like good criteria for picking out a church to me!

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    I guess I will have to call some churches when I move there.

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    Fallon Church of Christ-I prefer CCW (just for the members sake/peace of mind for worship). God said let things be done decently and in order in 1 Corinthians 14 and not to cause division/problems. I'm sure talking about it will help others. I OC when I go on most visits and they all know I go to the range/shoot competition.
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    I'll be living in the Spring Valley area. Hope to find a good church there. I'd like to be involved with the band or working security.

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    PM me your address-I will send you a DVD of "Why there are so many churches". Then you can go from there.

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    It's ALWAYS a good idea to ask the pastor and/or board members for permission as courtesy. Some of you may say "...you shouldn't need permission to carry", but in a church or place of worship, it's out of respect for the congregation. Back at my hometown in Michigan, my father used to CCW but asked the pastor first. Ironically, the pastor agreed because he one time had a gun drawn on him during his sermon, and the whole congregation was robbed at gunpoint...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DooFster View Post
    It's ALWAYS a good idea to ask the pastor and/or board members for permission as courtesy. Some of you may say "...you shouldn't need permission to carry", but in a church or place of worship, it's out of respect for the congregation. Back at my hometown in Michigan, my father used to CCW but asked the pastor first. Ironically, the pastor agreed because he one time had a gun drawn on him during his sermon, and the whole congregation was robbed at gunpoint...
    This. No, you shouldn't have to ask, but given the social aspect of places of worship, it is considerate to ask first. But, make it clear that its a deal breaker for you.

    You aren't asking for permission to carry, you are asking whether you are welcome there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    This. No, you shouldn't have to ask, but given the social aspect of places of worship, it is considerate to ask first. But, make it clear that its a deal breaker for you.

    You aren't asking for permission to carry, you are asking whether you are welcome there.

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    That's exactly my point... Luke 22:36 "...he that does not have a sword; let him sell his cloak and buy one..."

    I was also saying whether it'll be acceptable by the church/congregation...

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    I fully intend to let them know that it is a deal breaker for me.

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    One of the few times I do CC, it is in church. Our pastor has no problem with it. I am not the only one. Of course, it is not the 1800s however; it was customary back then for the pastor to have a shotgun behind the pulpit. I have not tried OCing I am fairly sure the pastor would be ok with it not sure about some of the congregation. Many do know I carry. So yep, it is legal to have that extra safety tool in church.

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    I've had several Pastors over the years that were thrilled that I carried. My current Pastor is armed most of the time. I did choose to conceal carry while in church so that I never got more attention than the message.

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    I think after a couple weeks or so, people would just accept that I OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DooFster View Post
    That's exactly my point... Luke 22:36 "...he that does not have a sword; let him sell his cloak and buy one..."

    And he that hath no sword - There has been much difficulty in understanding why Jesus directed his disciples to arm themselves, as if it was his purpose to make a defense. It is certain that the spirit of his religion is against the use of the sword, and that it was not his purpose to defend himself against Judas. But it should be remembered that these directions about the purse, the scrip, and the sword were not made with reference to his “being taken” in the garden, but with reference “to their future life.” The time of the trial in Gethsemane was just at hand; nor was there “time” then, if no other reason existed, to go and make the purchase. It altogether refers to their future life. They were going into the midst of dangers. The country was infested with robbers and wild beasts. It was customary to go armed. He tells them of those dangers - of the necessity of being prepared in the usual way to meet them. This, then, is not to be considered as a specific, positive “command” to procure a sword, but an intimation that great dangers were before them; that their manner of life would be changed, and that they would need the provisions “appropriate to that kind of life.” The “common” preparation for that manner of life consisted in money, provisions, and arms; and he foretells them of that manner of life by giving them directions commonly understood to be appropriate to it. It amounts, then, to a “prediction” that they would soon leave the places which they had been accustomed to, and go into scenes of poverty, want, and danger, where they would feel the necessity of money, provisions, and the means of defense. All, therefore, that the passage justifies is:
    1. That it is proper for people to provide beforehand for their wants, and for ministers and missionaries as well as any others.
    2. That self-defense is lawful.
    Men encompassed with danger may lawfully “defend” their lives. It does not prove that it is lawful to make “offensive” war on a nation or an individual.


    I was also saying whether it'll be acceptable by the church/congregation...
    Yes you don't want to cause problems and put the focus on you when the message is more important than your gun/carry just because you can in some cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveMyCountry View Post
    I've had several Pastors over the years that were thrilled that I carried. My current Pastor is armed most of the time. I did choose to conceal carry while in church so that I never got more attention than the message.

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    You are always welcome to carry at our church. Www.thejourneychurch.cc

    We are based in Henderson and will be starting regular Sunday services in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    You are always welcome to carry at our church. Www.thejourneychurch.cc

    We are based in Henderson and will be starting regular Sunday services in September.
    Thank you. I'm sure I will attend.

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    I may talk to the wife and see what she thinks. Henderson may be a little bit of a drive but if I'm allowed to carry, might as well!!

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    For anyone that is interested in attending, here is the address of the church.

    567 North Stephanie
    Henderson, NV 89014

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    Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMoses View Post
    For anyone that is interested in attending, here is the address of the church.

    567 North Stephanie
    Henderson, NV 89014
    We have actually been doing Bible Studies at the Starbucks there...we weren't planning on doing those for the next few weeks.

    Our regular services will be at a different location - we will post it soon as we are still negotiating with a couple of locations...trying to find an affordable yet not trashy place for a startup church isn't too easy.

    You would think with all the thousands of empty locations in this valley folks would be a little more apt to work with potential renters.

    We will likely be in a dance studio - open space with chairs and sound included, they are pretty ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    We have actually been doing Bible Studies at the Starbucks there...we weren't planning on doing those for the next few weeks.

    Our regular services will be at a different location - we will post it soon as we are still negotiating with a couple of locations...trying to find an affordable yet not trashy place for a startup church isn't too easy.

    You would think with all the thousands of empty locations in this valley folks would be a little more apt to work with potential renters.

    We will likely be in a dance studio - open space with chairs and sound included, they are pretty ideal.
    Keep us informed. I'm not sure how long it will take me to get there from home. I'll be living in Spring Valley. I'd like to get involved somehow.
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    Churches are privately owned property. No NRS affects private property w/ respect to possession of firearms. If a church desires to prohibit firearms, they are within their rights to ask you to leave and trespass you for refusing to comply with their request. That being said, Most church goers are probably not alarmed by someone carrying a firearm, so long as it is done in a responsible manner. You might be surprised to find out that, while you are one of a very select few who do not hide you firearm, there are more than a few people who carry to church. In the wake of the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin, More people should be Carrying where they worship, if you ask me.
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    Re: Church?

    I remembered this today when I drove past ICLV.....

    Don't overlook that many churches also have licensed daycares and schools. That WOULD present a problem of the legal variety. Then it would get tricky, as it depends on which part of the building is the school....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    Don't overlook that many churches also have licensed daycares and schools. That WOULD present a problem of the legal variety. Then it would get tricky, as it depends on which part of the building is the school....

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    Wouldn't that be PROPERTY and not building?

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    Re: Church?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollbar View Post
    Wouldn't that be PROPERTY and not building?
    Well, yeah, if they have a campus. I was thinking of iclv, where I happen to know it is in the same building, or central christian, same.

    So yes, what part of the property, not just building.

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