Bronson
Regular Member
Sheesh, 19 replies and nobody gave the dude the website?
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vvoz5x55poerfnymxiuuv0ry))/mileg.aspx?page=home
You can do key word searches through all of Michigan's laws.
Bronson
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Open carrying confused....
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Sheesh, 19 replies and nobody gave the dude the website?
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vvoz5x55poerfnymxiuuv0ry))/mileg.aspx?page=home
You can do key word searches through all of Michigan's laws.
Bronson
Bronson
Regular Member
And thus, young grasshopper, you have learned the first lesson of firearm advocacy....never EVER ask the police for advice on the law because they do not know it and will give you their opinion dressed up in authority and presented as law.
Bronson
Bronson
Regular Member
Why? The certificate you got from the class doesn't expire. As long as it has the required wording I'd just submit the thing.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(5s...&query=on&highlight=concealed AND certificate
Bronson
WARCHILD
Regular Member
Well I know that! He can't very well call in with a question if we aren't there...DUH!
Maine Expat
Regular Member
FOOP! Yeah I noticed that later and forgot to come back and edit the MI board part in my post. Looks like you're getting the low down on your Q now though. Sucks gettin old, the memory is like a steal sieve. :lol:
Didn't see a new thread dealing with your preemption issue, but a well worded email to your town manager & Police Chief should get the ball rolling to make the change to legality for the town.
YOUR MOC mates should know exactly what to do.
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Bubba72
Regular Member
@ Bronson......That's what i thought as well that the certificate DOESN'T expire, but from i've been told from friends and relatives is that Wayne County will NOT accept the certificate if it's older than 6 months.
Bubba72
Regular Member
Here's what I was told told by the I LEO that i was told to call today and talk to.....
He said that Romulus doesn't have an ordinace against oc because the state law says we have the right to oc and local ordinances can't trump state law. He also said that if someone was to call the police and when the officer arrived/stop me the LEO coudln't do anything, as long as it's in the holster and that you CAN have a round chambered in while oc, then he went on about if i was to get into a vehicle, put on a jacket or anything in the way to conceal it THEN i would have to have a cpl cuz it's then considered carry concealed.....
He said that Romulus doesn't have an ordinace against oc because the state law says we have the right to oc and local ordinances can't trump state law. He also said that if someone was to call the police and when the officer arrived/stop me the LEO coudln't do anything, as long as it's in the holster and that you CAN have a round chambered in while oc, then he went on about if i was to get into a vehicle, put on a jacket or anything in the way to conceal it THEN i would have to have a cpl cuz it's then considered carry concealed.....
Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
Okay to make you feel better here's a cliff noted story. I have a friend who lives in Romulus. We decide to meet up at McDonalds for some food. We are both carrying our pistols (in a legal manner) when every kind of cop known to man starts appearing... I think man good thing I have video and audio records rolling, cause this is one hell of a response for a couple of OCers....he and I not being aware that the presidential motorcade is about to go by on the way to the airport. Guess what? Not one word from them about our weapons. So clearly OC is legal, in Romulus and MI.
Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
His words to you are correct, but there are many little catch 22's that can get you jammed up if you are not careful. Read, read and read more...then come back here, call the radio show, or attend a meeting, look for posts by mrmike40cal he's been holding events in your area. You just missed one in wyandotte, but there is one in monroe very soon I think? Yes see the sticky about the rally on Aug. 25 in monroe that's just 15 min down 275 for you. You'll get to meet onnie, ezra, and other oc gurus. I'd tell you to talk to the Q but you'd never get a word in...unless you are that guy who did the old micro machines commercials who talks SUPER fast
Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
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Bubba72
Regular Member
i think i might just have to hit monroe on the 25th, and i even told to LEO i talked to today what the other officer told me on the phone last night and he even chucled and said it legal to open carry in Romulus. I hope the officer for last gets at least a talking to about knowing oc is perfectly legal in Romulus and gets a refresher course on laws and civil rights......
Bronson
Regular Member
TheQ
Regular Member
His words to you are correct, but there are many little catch 22's that can get you jammed up if you are not careful. Read, read and read more...then come back here, call the radio show, or attend a meeting, look for posts by mrmike40cal he's been holding events in your area. You just missed one in wyandotte, but there is one in monroe very soon I think? Yes see the sticky about the rally on Aug. 25 in monroe that's just 15 min down 275 for you. You'll get to meet onnie, ezra, and other oc gurus. I'd tell you to talk to the Q but you'd never get a word in...unless you are that guy who did the old micro machines commercials who talks SUPER fast
Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
"You can always tell a German, but you can't tell him much!"
Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
You don't have to take the class again. Where does it say you do?
Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
That was in the very early stages of the OC movement in Michigan. The man sued and got a settlement and the PD trained on OC.
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Small_Arms_Collector
Regular Member
Your certificate does not expire.
Small_Arms_Collector
Regular Member
As a CPL instructor, I resent that remark. It's true that there are to many instructors out there that are idiots, and have no business teaching, but there are good ones to. I go out of my way to mention OC, and the legalities of it in my classes.
Small_Arms_Collector
Regular Member
Nope, see MCL 123.1102.
The local ordinance is illegal, and unenforceable. If they attempt to enforce it, not only will it not stick, but you can sue them not just for violating the State Preemption law (MCL 123.1102), but also for false imprisonment, Color Of Law Violations, slander, defamation etc., and civil rights violations under title 18 USC.
Small_Arms_Collector
Regular Member
If they don't you can sue them.
stainless1911
Banned
I would say that you are the exception, not the rule. I now know that you do, Scott Webb does, and Mark Cortis does, but I have heard stories upon stories of those with too much misinformation.
griffin
Regular Member
Small_Arms_Collector, my first CC class (pre-shall issue days) was full of misinformation! And it was taught by the local Asst. Prosecutor and sheriff.