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PistolPackingMomma

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Nope, not psychic, no inside source, not even a crystal ball.

When you understand how these people think, and what their goals are, it's easy to see what's coming down the road. What's not easy is getting others to see the same thing, and getting them to DO something about it.

Sadly, the average Joe Doe is a lot like a firecracker; a tragedy occurs and he burns brightly with sorrow and anger, pumping his fist in the air that something be done, dammit!...and then after a week or a month, his ability to care about anything beyond himself fizzles out, and his life continues, unchanged, doomed to repeat the same cyclical pattern.

People need to be like embers; burning hot and long, able to ignite the fires of justice and liberty in the hearts of the people.
 

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Oh, I'm giving her ton's of credit. She is very intelligent and I'm very impressed. Just saying that she called that one.

Nothing prescient or intelligent about predicting a shooting over a three- or four-month period. I'll predict another over the next three or four months.

And to tie it to the election is just plain silly. The election is over. This shooting has zero to do with it. It ain't like the shooter said to himself, "Let me shoot up a school so I can sway the election and get more gun-control passed."

Predicting that those in power now will use this "crisis" to try to pass more gun-control or that the media will totally misreport this event or its causes do not require any spectacular level of intelligence or precognition, just the modest ability to reason that anyone with an IQ of 85 or better is quite capable of. (Many just choose to rely on emotion over ration, but they are quite capable of the ration.)

That being said, if another shooting happens in the next three to four months, I will pat myself on the back and expect much ego-gratifying backpatting from other posters.
 

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You have a very sad and disgusting self projection issue if you believe anyone would like accolades for paying attention to a pattern of bloodshed.
 

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Yeah but the poster implied, by patting herself on the back for a correct prediction, that the timing was based on the election. Clearly a not-well-thought-out assertion.


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Yeah but the poster implied, by patting herself on the back for a correct prediction, that the timing was based on the election. Clearly a not-well-thought-out assertion.


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That's just rude. She never patted herself on her back , especially coming from someone constantly whining about civility.
 

Gil223

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Predictions are very easily made, and most of us make them on a regular basis. When it comes to human behavior, any adult who has paid attention to the daily events during their (substantial) lifetime, is quite capable of making a "judgment call" about what will happen within the next "X" time period. Some predictions have contingency issues - "If action 'A' does not come to pass within the next six months, then action 'B' will probably happen during the following 90 days, because people will be trying to avoid the consequences of action 'C'." Other predictions have no contingencies, such as, "I believe there will be another mass shooting within the next 3-4 months".


That is essentially PPMs prediction, and it is based upon observed human behavior over her lifetime, and an emerging pattern of events over the past several years. She is entitled to her opinion - as are we all - and stating one's opinion should not be grounds for castigation. I predict that the sun will rise in the (agreed upon) east and set in the west tomorrow, as it has for millennia. The odds of my being correct are tremendous, but... inasmuch as most "natural occurrences" are not perfectly predictable, there is a very slight chance the sun may not come up at all tomorrow. Perhaps it was the timing of PPMs declaration that caused some discomfiture, rather than the declaration itself. A prediction of bad news is rarely welcomed, and never when it comes on the heels of a similar event. Just my thoughts. Pax...


I completely agree with eye95 that there is, "Nothing prescient or intelligent about predicting a shooting over a three- or four-month period. I'll predict another over the next three or four months." However, I disagree with his statement that, "to tie it to the election is just plain silly. The election is over. This shooting has zero to do with it." That statement is probably correct, but Lanza was one of two things:
(1) A nut job, or
(2) a truly evil sprit
Since there is no objective criteria by which to assess number (2), my money is on Lanza having been a nut job (however, something deep inside me tells me to go for the combination of (1) & (2)). Does calling him "mentally ill" make his crime any less heinous, or any more acceptable? Of course not. It doesn't excuse his behavior, but it does make such unconscionable behavior a bit more "understandable". It saves us (society-at-large) from going through the agonzingly slow, frustratingly complex tasks of trying to "sort out" the human mind, and identifying the "motivation" (the "why") behind such an otherwise incomprehensible act. The only reason "the why" is of the least importance, is to help us predict - and possibly avoid - the recurrence of such acts. We know almost as little about the human mind today, as we did 500 years ago. And there is only a slight increase in certainty when there has been apparent, observable physical trauma to the brain (which is not to be confused with the "mind" - the brain is simply a container). It could as easily be "tied to the election" as it could be to the phase of the mooon, or what Lanza ate for breakfast. Nutters don't have to have any (understandable) "reasoning" behind their actions. Therefore, to search for reasons is a "fool's errand". (Personally, I do not see FPS "games" as entirely without blame in the desensitization process of those who waste every available waking hour of every day playing [essentially "living"] in a fantasy world) :uhoh: Pax...
 

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It wasn't the "right-wingers" who made the asinine statement about not letting a crisis go unused. I just can't remember if it was Eric "Fast & Furious" Holder or Rahm "Mr. Mayor" Emmanuel that said it.
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No, it has never been the "right-wingers". The most recent use of that phrase was by Rahm Emanuel, who is anything but "right-wing". It is a Communist/Marxist philosophy (occasionally attributed to Vladimir Lenin) included in the little-known Cloward-Piven "Strategy for Orchestrated Crisis", proposed in 1966 by Columbia University political scientists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven as a plan to bankrupt the welfare system and produce radical change. The central idea is to get as many people as possible dependent on the government welfare system, overloading it, and leading to outbreaks of violence when those dependent on the government no longer can receive benefits. These riots would be then used as a means to expand government power and to usher in a new era of complete government control over the citizenry (sadly, it appears to be working "as advertised", thusfar). If anyone is interested in a more complete history and background, see: http://www.cloward-piven.com

Some voters chose to ignore the fact that the current administration is - and was on November 6th - composed almost entirely of Communist/Marxist/Socialist-"Progressives", and, during the recent election put their personal needs above the needs of the country. This is not surprising, since (IMO) most voters (on either side) are "single issue" voters, and are unaware of (or choose to ignore) the long-range consequences of their actions. We are about to begin paying the price of their selfishness. :( Pax...
 

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Yeah but the poster implied, by patting herself on the back for a correct prediction, that the timing was based on the election. Clearly a not-well-thought-out assertion.

I can see where you may easily have inferred that PPMs post was "patting herself on the back". I'm guessing the actual intent was nothing more than a factual "I told you so" statement, rather than some kind of celebration :banana: of her non-existent omniscience. ;) Pax...
 
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That link is 404. Should I take that as further sign of the government conspiracy?

ETA, it still shows up in search but when you click it's 404.
Actually, yes, you can take that as a sign of further government conspiracy. They took it down yesterday afternoon. Probably for the same reason the NY Times took down their article about the Spire lawsuit. Shortly after that was posted, the NYT's online editor's kids were found murdered, as well as their nanny, in a set-up that was meant to look like a murder-suicide by the nanny.
 

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Actually, yes, you can take that as a sign of further government conspiracy. They took it down yesterday afternoon. Probably for the same reason the NY Times took down their article about the Spire lawsuit. Shortly after that was posted, the NYT's online editor's kids were found murdered, as well as their nanny, in a set-up that was meant to look like a murder-suicide by the nanny.


Yet the lawyers involved in the suit still live.

Let's see, harm people involved in reporting on a lawsuit that will be thrown out or the ones instigating it. Hmmm?

http://spire-law.com/in-the-news/
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-to-the-united-states-treasury-175828861.html

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