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Michigan basics...

Jakeus314

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I'm quite new to guns in general, but strongly believe that we should all be allowed to OC virtually everywhere. I hate the thought of not being allowed to carry somewhere. Is this http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf correct? I have read a number of stories of people OCing in schools and just wonder exactly what the law is currently. I am likely to begin carrying, but I want a solid place to go for local laws etc. again, I'm completely 2A, but also wish to abide. Any help and direction is most appreciated.
 

stainless1911

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You're in the right place. Read the stickies.

If you have a CPL it is in fact legal to carry openly in schools, as well as the other gun free zones in the state. This does NOT include federal buildings, (post office), court buildings secured areas of jails and airports and some casinos. If you do not have a CPL you may not even be on the premises of a gun free zone. You must have the gun unloaded in a case designed for a firearm, and in the trunk. You still cant have it in even the parking lot of a gun free zone.
 

Phil McCracken

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You're in the right place. Read the stickies.

If you have a CPL it is in fact legal to carry openly in schools, as well as the other gun free zones in the state. This does NOT include federal buildings, (post office), court buildings secured areas of jails and airports and some casinos. If you do not have a CPL you may not even be on the premises of a gun free zone. You must have the gun unloaded in a case designed for a firearm, and in the trunk. You still cant have it in even the parking lot of a gun free zone.
Do you have a cite for this?

Be careful about taking legal advice from this source.
 
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stainless1911

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Im suprised you don't Pat. You were one of the ones who helped me learn these things.

MCL 750.234d

750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234d.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theater.

(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.
 

Jakeus314

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I am most excited to realize that I am actually allowed to protect myself from criminals... I haven't had to so far. Next task is to convince my wife that carrying a gun doesn't make me evil. Oy
 

Ezerharden

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I am most excited to realize that I am actually allowed to protect myself from criminals... I haven't had to so far. Next task is to convince my wife that carrying a gun doesn't make me evil. Oy

Took me a little bit with my wife too. I just kept showing her news articles regarding both violent crimes against people, and articles showing where legally carried or owned guns have saved someones life. She came around eventually.
 

Venator

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Im suprised you don't Pat. You were one of the ones who helped me learn these things.

MCL 750.234d

750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
Sec. 234d.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theater.

(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.

Pat is talking about possession vs transporting a firearm. A third party rumored contact with someone from the AG's office said possession is NOT the same as transporting and feels you CAN have a properly stored firearm in a vehicle in the places listed in.234d as it's being transported not possessed.

So it's still an untested issue.
 

NHCGRPR45

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I am most excited to realize that I am actually allowed to protect myself from criminals... I haven't had to so far. Next task is to convince my wife that carrying a gun doesn't make me evil. Oy

We have a member who's wife cried every time she saw a gun. Not sure if she is carring yet but the crying has stopped I believe.:D
 

Phil McCracken

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Pat is talking about possession vs transporting a firearm. A third party rumored contact with someone from the AG's office said possession is NOT the same as transporting and feels you CAN have a properly stored firearm in a vehicle in the places listed in.234d as it's being transported not possessed.

So it's still an untested issue.

Untested in a court? Yes.

But think about it this way...

The police and prosecutors, according to many that post here, belive that they will go to any length to jam up a person with a gun. If that is true, then why haven't thousands upon thousands of hunters been jammed up even once? Because the police know the difference between possession of a firearm and transporting a firearm. And doesn't the permit to purchase grant the distinct separate acts of purchasing, carrying, possessing and transporting a pistol?

So you are correct in that it hasn't been tested in any court. But it has been tested almost every single day on the streets of Michigan.
 

stainless1911

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And doesn't the permit to purchase grant the distinct separate acts of purchasing, carrying, possessing and transporting a pistol?

It has been argued quite successfully that the LTP does expire, and may not give exemption as a result. We had been discussing it in its relationship to the GFSZ and whether it would cover you there.

IIRC DrTodds argument was the most convincing.
 

griffin

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the police know the difference between possession of a firearm and transporting a firearm...it has been tested almost every single day on the streets of Michigan.
However, that doesn't mean some LEO won't jam you up if he gets upset with you for some reason. You might trust them more than I do.

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Xanaseyr

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If transporting is distinct from transportation and transportation does not imply possession, does transportation imply carrying?
Why don't we transport loaded pistols without a CPL?
 

Xanaseyr

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