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    White House immigration policy for younger illegals

    “Imagine you’ve done everything right your entire life — studied hard, worked hard, maybe even graduated at the top of your class — only to suddenly face the threat of deportation,” Obama said
    “It makes no sense to expel talented young people … who want to staff our labs, or start new businesses or defend our country,” he said
    the White House immigration policy for younger illegals to include low-skill immigrants who have not completed middle school or high school.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/15/ob...ool-dropouts/#
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    It'd be wrong to deport people to countries they know nothing about all because their parents illegally dragged them across some stupid, imaginary line in the sand that has been used to control, not only outsiders, but those in the country as well.
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    This is entire a feel-good issue. There is no right or wrong. Their deportation would be sad for them. It could be beneficial for those legally here by 1) freeing up positions at colleges, 2) reducing public school costs, 3) decreasing the drive for public subsidy of many things, like jobs, food, housing..., and 4) it diincentivizes illegal behavior by parents hoping for precisely this kind of amnesty.
    Maybe people should force changes in their country of origin instead of leaving to come here. or maybe not. I'm not arguing either way, since it isn't my battle to fight. It's not about being fair, it's about individual self preservation.

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    Illegal means illegal. Period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    and the American public
    Last I checked, I'm part of the American public, and as a part of the American public, I vote we greatly relax immigration and customs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I am going to give you a pass because you probably have little experience living where few people speak english and the only time you see American flags is when they are being desecrated.

    You probably have almost no idea what illegal aliens have done to parts of this country.
    People talk a lot about illegals and what they may or may not have done. But honestly? There's a far larger threat to this nation and it's ain't comin' from outside the border.


    Just sayin~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Illegal aliens in America kill about 1,000 American citizens every year.
    You got a cite for this or did you pull the number out of your ass? Even if true, is it gang related where the killers just happen to be illegals or is it just illegals in general? Actual cites please. Also, I need proof that every last one of those "about 1,000" murder victims was an actual US citizen and not just a murder victim, which could indicate other illegal aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    How many does Al-Qaeda kill in America ?
    How many do Christians kill? IDK, but I know it's more than Al-Qaeda.

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    Illegal aliens have NO RIGHT to be in America and Obama is a complete coward for allowing their citizenship all by himself.
    Because you said so. I say you don't have a right to be here. NOW WHAT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Illegal aliens vote overwhelmingly for democrats.
    Flawless reasoning! Let's keep these vile scummy heathens out of our country because they vote for the party we don't like. While we're at, why not just round up all registered Democrats and ship them off to Australia. It's still a penal colony, right? I mean they have no guns and everything wants to kill you, might as well be one!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    America just keeps going down the drain more and more everyday and people like you are more than willing to help.
    Pretty sure America is going downhill because our politicians keep finding new ways to relieve us of our "burdensome" rights.

    Perhaps you should be a bit more concerned that our only real choices for President are different sides of the same craptastic coin.

    I don't know about you, but the fact our government keeps destroying our rights and selling our economy to the highest bidders, has me far more concerned about our nation and economy than any amount of illegal immigrants ever could. But I guess I'm wrong, it's not Washington ******* away money and shredding the constitution. It's the dirty, no good godless heathens from the south. Totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Okay you arent worth debating.

    Enjoy America.....

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    Article 1
    Section 8
    The Congress shall have Power
    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject
    of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    Sorry he has no authority to do what he is doing and is thus an enemy of the Constitution of the United States of America.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    How many does Al-Qaeda kill in America ?
    Have you not been paying attention? The members of Al-Qaeda are our allies and always have been. Trust Big Brother he will take care of you and raise your children to hate you....

    Emmanuel Goldstein is the bad guy, he wants us to do evil.....
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    If they are working legally, they will be paying taxes. At least these folks will be documented and we might start to get an idea of how many are in the country.

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    White House immigration policy for younger illegals

    There is nothing unconstitutional about the executive branch determining how to handle visitation by foreigners. It is, in fact, their job to do this. If congress wishes to enjoin them from an activity, it may do so.

    There are good reasons to think that allowing good students and good workers to remain will benefit us, but I doubt we will be in better or worse condition once this is done.

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    "fail" is not really explanatory. Please show us where the new policy violates the law or the Constitution.

    I agree that it may prove to be folly, but a bad decision isn't always illegal. Thank goodness there is still room for variation and difference of opinion within the law.

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    White House immigration policy for younger illegals

    Congress makes laws. Policy is at the discretion of the Executive. If Congress were to make a law which addressed a specific policy area, the Executive would be obliged to follow it.

    We have a law which essentially mandates an impossible task, namely deporting every illegal alien. it would be similar to mandating NOAA to forecast weather accurately, record, and report climate data for every US city, town, hamlet, and burg. It is perfectly acceptable to prioritize the use of resources, unless you want to pay more taxes to give them unlimited resources to pursue, arrest, and deport every illegal alien.

    The Executive has chosen to prioritize deportation. The new policy delays the deportion of otherwise law-abiding people who were not of an age to make an independent decision about illegally entering the country when their relatives brought them. Quite technically, they did not break a law by entering (being too young to know or decide to break said law), and it is unreasonable to expect them to voluntarily leave the only country they know, especially when they are still minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    It'd be wrong to deport people to countries they know nothing about all because their parents illegally dragged them across some stupid, imaginary line in the sand that has been used to control, not only outsiders, but those in the country as well.
    That "stupid, imaginary line in the sand" is our border, sir. All nations have them whether they be natural or man made. Would it be your preference to go with the Nations Without Borders concept? If so, say good-bye to America forever.
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    White House immigration policy for younger illegals

    Did you even pay attention? The new program does not give illegal alien children anything except the chance to avoid being deported to somewhere they don't know anything about. It doesnt give amnesty nor voting rights, nor access to healthcare (aside from life saving care anyone can get under current policies). It is a compromise.

    And the Executive always has the authority to prioritize enforcement. For instance, OSHA was established to stop occupational injuries from recognized hazards in workplaces. Yet, people are still injured and killed from recognized workplace hazards every day. OSHA simply can't enforce every rule (rules they promulgated to meet the requirements of Congressional legislation but which are not themselves legislated) at all times in every workplace. OSHA picks where they will enforce with fines and where they will work with employers toward compliance while not fining for every violation of rules. This is the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    That "stupid, imaginary line in the sand" is our border, sir. All nations have them whether they be natural or man made. Would it be your preference to go with the Nations Without Borders concept? If so, say good-bye to America forever.
    Borders are great when it comes to international/interstate relations. But as far as people are concerned, they are more often used as a weapon by tyrants than shield against evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    You should go live in Juarez for awhile.
    Right, because our borders are really stopping those gangs/cartels from entering? Last I checked, the border did crapall to stop it and they've even been given special little hall passes by the government.

    So tell me again, CA, what has that little precious, imaginary line done for you, other than restrict your movement in and out of the country as well as given your government an excuse to track your everymove. I'm waiting~

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    What is this "****" you refer to? Drugs? They're a billion dollar enterprise, I don't see any sign of that slowing on account of the border.

    Crime? Crime originates from inside the borders moreso than outside. Who do you think sells all them drugs? It sure ain't illegals, they're too busy picking cotton.

    So what, exactly, is being slowed by the borders? Besides our travels and what we can and can not buy legally?
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    Well, the southern border control does actually work to slow the flow of violence and drugs. Yes, there are problems, and the violence in Mexico is entirely the result of drug use in the US, but if we are going to have laws prohibiting opiates, cocaine, and weed, we have to try to enforce them.

    My wife lives about 60 miles from a rural border, and while it leaks over, it's not just North Mexico out there.

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    Ironically, your statement just kinda goes hand in hand with what I said earlier. That borders are used to control the citizenry more than anything else, specifically what the citizens can and can not purchase/use.

    Legalizing recreational drug use would do a lot more to curtail the flow of violence/crime into America.

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    I'm not sure I agree, but I'm certain what we have been doing is promoting the violence, so let's try that. Only if we have control of the production, distribution, and marketing will it stop. What I see is that a legalization will cause prices to peak, because a sin tax will be implemented. there will still be an illicit market.

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