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    Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Channel 4 WDIV just had a news story that Birmingham is considering banning guns in their city hall, library, parks and wherever else they think they can get away with. This in response to the rash of open carriers they have been experiencing lately. Showing a backdrop to the commentary of Sean and some other OCers.

    Hmmm.....Anyone else see this?

    Maybe they never learned of preemption?

    More of the "Not in our city" mentality?

    Discuss.
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    this is just another example of the epic dumbness that oozes out of that cesspool.
    i sense another visit from a few good men in the near future.
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    Sounds like another city hall meeting is in order?
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I guess this will go one of two ways, they will either learn from having more and MORE meeting of OCers in the city that they cant ban firearms, or, they will continue to ban firearms because more and MORE people are OCing in birmingham and then we will have to sue the city...either way OCers win. I dont think they understand this.

    Though personally I like the fact that were bugging them
    The worst weapon is the human mind, its created and done things far worse than a gun can, has, or ever will. Its the human mind that tells the gun what to do and animates the inanimate object.

    With all these gun control laws in place I have yet to find a single one that has saved someones life, but I can find hundreds of stories where a gun has.

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    At the City Commission meeting of 8/13 was an agenda item "VIII. COMMUNICATIONS . . . A. Baldwin Public Library, Library’s position on Michigan’s Open Carry Laws."
    http://www.ci.birmingham.mi.us/index...6737&page=1329

    Clicking on the "View Full Agenda" at the bottom of the above web-page, the PDF document that comes up has a sub-PDF named "8A BALDWIN PUBLIC LIBRARY" with a few interesting document images (toward the bottom). Here's the direct link:
    http://www.ci.birmingham.mi.us/clien...ion/agenda.pdf

    Excerpt:

    Letter to Sen. Pappageorge and Rep. Moss, dated 7/18/2012: "On June 11, 2012, several individuals, accompanied by a film crew, entered the . . . library . . . openly carrying weapons. These individuals' presence inflicted fear . . . the Beverly Hills Village Council . . . plans to address this issue at its next meeting."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Sounds like another city hall meeting is in order?
    I'm definitely in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Sounds like another city hall meeting is in order?
    I agree, and since I am one of the aforementioned individuals who went by the library and was mentioned in their "incident" report. May I humbly suggest we also digress there as well to check out their selection of media on the US Constitution.
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    When is the next city council meeting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Sounds like another city hall meeting is in order?
    That it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smellslikemichigan View Post

    this is just another example of the epic dumbness that oozes out of that cesspool.
    i sense another visit from a few good men in the near future.
    I sense the same thing.

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    Re: Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    Sounds like another city hall meeting is in order?
    Yes good idea. May I also suggest targeting the foo foo events they have in the city such as concerts, movies in the park etc... that should keep them in the media spotlight...which is not where they want to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanM View Post
    I'm definitely in.
    Me as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hevymetal View Post
    I agree, and since I am one of the aforementioned individuals who went by the library and was mentioned in their "incident" report. May I humbly suggest we also digress there as well to check out their selection of media on the US Constitution.
    Why was there a film crew? And don't they know they can't ban guns, in the city buildings? Have they not talked to the city of Ferndale? Also has the high paid city attorney not perused the case law on this and if not why do they pay him?

    Maybe I missed something. Did we loose the CADL case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post

    Maybe I missed something. Did we loose the CADL case?
    AFAIK its still in up the air.

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    Trick is, to get the CC sheep to grow a pair and exercise their rights, instead of hiding them, or abandoning them according to the anti game plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Trick is, to get the CC sheep to grow a pair and exercise their rights, instead of hiding them, or abandoning them according to the anti game plan.
    Care to take the lead on that? I have a CC and OC or CC depending on the circumstances.
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    I don't CC and wouldn't if I could. Truthfully, I can't claim to have taken the lead as I wasn't first by a long shot, but I have a few converts under my belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I don't CC and wouldn't if I could. Truthfully, I can't claim to have taken the lead as I wasn't first by a long shot, but I have a few converts under my belt.
    Well I am sure someone will retrain them properly
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    I dont like to, or even believe in CC. Leave that to the criminals.

    I'm still waiting for you to back up your allegations with some credible facts.

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    Re: Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Yet another good thread that will go under due to well....need I say more? Stainless please start a thread. I am sure the mods will make it a sticky for you. This way all the drama junkies can get their fix in one spot. Continue the crap slinging ...it helps everyone that is out to steal our freedom..

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    I dont want my own thread. I will stand my ground however./

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    Re: Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont want my own thread. I will stand my ground however./
    Right, but you miss the big picture, it would keep good threads from getting trashed. Thus benefitting the entire community here and not just you. Not picking on you, you are who you are, but some here will never stop urinating your way and then you respond in kind, and the next thing you know we are all drowning in it...EEW!

    Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
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    Re: Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil McCracken View Post
    Unless it actually requires you to stand your ground. You say you didn't commit the crime, but you caved to a plea. Not much ground standing there.
    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    You would have done the same. Someday, you probably will.
    And my point is proven... carry on as I know you will. Why can't you guys fight in PM's? Just saying...

    Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I wouldnt open his PM.
    You win - I give up...! The concept is lost here....

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    Re: Birmingham considers gun ban? Will they every learn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil McCracken View Post
    quitter!!!
    One would expect no less from you Pat. Carry on

    Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
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    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    <trying desperately to steer the discussion back on topic> What city events are in the works that would benefit from an OC presence? How about an OC meeting at the library?
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