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    An unbiased article on open carry

    If only more interviews were done in this fashion. No spin, no misquotes...just a fair Q & A printed for the reader to decide how they feel.

    A Frank Talk About Guns: Q&A With Michigan Open Carry Spokesman Rob Harris

    http://www.jimonitor.com/article/fra...man-rob-harris
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    If only more interviews were done in this fashion. No spin, no misquotes...just a fair Q & A printed for the reader to decide how they feel.

    A Frank Talk About Guns: Q&A With Michigan Open Carry Spokesman Rob Harris

    http://www.jimonitor.com/article/fra...man-rob-harris
    Very good interview... in fact, it was probably one of the most "neutral" regarding Openc Carry that I have ever read.

    The article mentioned that Senate Bill 59 essentially is trying to "make it easier to carry in those places..., where you currently can't do so without a Concealed Pistol License". Is this true?
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    An unbiased article on open carry

    Umm, no. It expands where you can CC. As with most articles there is confusion and misinformation.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I called the author to correct two errors. First his statement that SB59 benefits OC where in fact it removes PFZ's for concealed carry. Second, my daughter is 15 months, not 25 months old. ;
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot623 View Post
    I called the author to correct two errors. First his statement that SB59 benefits OC where in fact it removes PFZ's for concealed carry. Second, my daughter is 15 months, not 25 months old. ;
    whew, glad the age thing is cleared up
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    There is no gun show loophole. What gun laws do, is make it harder for the law abiding citizen, while driving the costs up. For example, a friend offereed me a 1911 yesterday for 200$ no paper trail. Get a new firing pin and barrel, it's untraceable. Try getting one in a store for that price.

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    An unbiased article on open carry

    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    There is no gun show loophole. What gun laws do, is make it harder for the law abiding citizen, while driving the costs up. For example, a friend offereed me a 1911 yesterday for 200$ no paper trail. Get a new firing pin and barrel, it's untraceable. Try getting one in a store for that price.
    That'd be illegal in MI w/o a purchase permit. Aren't you in trouble enough?
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    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I dont have 200$ lol.

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    An unbiased article on open carry

    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont have 200$ lol.
    Don't worry, the first of the month is coming.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    I never see a penny of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I never see a penny of that.
    How does that work?

    Anyway, yes it was a great article and well written. Good Job Rob!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHCGRPR45 View Post
    How does that work?
    Direct deposit in the bank, then the rent and other bills automatically withdrawn. Those bills exceed the socialist checks, and must be supplemented by other means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Direct deposit in the bank, then the rent and other bills automatically withdrawn. Those bills exceed the socialist checks, and must be supplemented by other means.
    so... because the bills are automatically withdrawn you consider that "money not seen"? that's gotta be one of the dumbest arguments i've ever heard. when you get your bank statement does the deposit show up on there? almost all of my bills and mortgages are auto withdrawn. does that mean my employer didn't actually pay me that money?
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    Weren't we talking about an interview or something? Christ its like Stainless gives you all ADHD... we should offer prizes for topics that actually stay on topic.

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    The interview is extremely fair, however an anti-gun-pro-criminal type would not read it. This falls under "preaching to the choir".
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    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
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    Re: An unbiased article on open carry

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Creamsicle View Post
    Weren't we talking about an interview or something? Christ its like Stainless gives you all ADHD... we should offer prizes for topics that actually stay on topic.
    Thus - I have asked him many times to ask for his own sticky on this sub forum. Call it something like the all drama thread...this way we could keep all our crap in one toilet vs all over the oc house.

    ON TOPIC - outstanding job Rob!

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    Re: An unbiased article on open carry

    Quote Originally Posted by Raggs View Post
    The interview is extremely fair, however an anti-gun-pro-criminal type would not read it. This falls under "preaching to the choir".
    Uhm you ever look at the view counter on some of the more news worthy threads like the combs case in Birmingham? Clearly people from outside of OCDO are viewing this site. I think the same applys to the news be it papers, news casts etc... if its about sex, mayhem, gossip or guns it gets read/viewed/heard. When guns are in the press there is usually an obvious bias against them. It was so refreshing to see that was not the case in this article.

    Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!
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    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock9mmOldStyle View Post
    Thus - I have asked him many times to ask for his own sticky on this sub forum. Call it something like the all drama thread...this way we could keep all our crap in one toilet vs all over the oc house.

    ON TOPIC - outstanding job Rob!

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    Well I tried to start a thread to be an "ammo dump" for stainless bashing comments... but it got deleted... I guess the MOD wants this type of interruption and thread jacking to continue.
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    I dont believe in ignore lists, but I think it's time to give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKcarrier View Post
    I tried to start a thread to be an "ammo dump" for stainless bashing comments... but it got deleted.
    It got moved to MOC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    It got moved to MOC.
    It's not needed as much there

    I did give John the suggestion though.
    Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

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    Excellent job, Rob! You're a great spokesman for the OC movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    I dont believe in ignore lists, but I think it's time to give it a try.
    I believe everyone should be able to express themselves. You do have good posts in my opinion sometimes, other times not so much, and that's okay too. However when your posts draw so much venom from others here that entire threads become hijacked that is not fair to the OP's or the people trying to follow the subject of the thread. I know you are lonely and any attention is better than none to you, but I ask you once again and your detractors, to carefully think before you post. Will this damage the thread I want to post in? Is this a suitable post for this forum and so on. If the answers are no, please consider hashing out your differences in a private message. Lets be fair shall we?
    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock9mmOldStyle View Post
    when your posts draw so much venom from others here that entire threads become hijacked that is not fair to the OP's or the people trying to follow the subject of the thread.
    Are you next going to blame the girl wearing the short dress for being raped? Nice.

    People are responsible for their own actions and posts (including venomous replies). You, of all people, a 2A and OC advocate, would, I think, realize this. Sadly not, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Are you next going to blame the girl wearing the short dress for being raped? Nice.

    People are responsible for their own actions and posts (including venomous replies). You, of all people, a 2A and OC advocate, would, I think, realize this. Sadly not, apparently.

    I have a bag of extra commas I'm selling at the exit.
    If you are going to quote USE ENTIRE POST PLEASE, as context matters. Sticks and stones... carry on
    “A government that does not trust it’s law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.” James Madison.

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.” “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.” George Washington

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