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    Paul Ryan: 'I Am Happy To Be Clinging To My Guns And My Religion!'

    Good stuff! Let's hope he sticks to those guns if elected.
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    How come he ain't clinging to his gun that is openly displayed on his hip? He is in Carnegie, PA. Does he need a permission slip to OC in Carnegie, PA?

    Is he a FUDD?
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Paul Ryan: 'I Am Happy To Be Clinging To My Guns And My Religion!'

    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    How come he ain't clinging to his gun that is openly displayed on his hip? He is in Carnegie, PA. Does he need a permission slip to OC in Carnegie, PA?

    Is he a FUDD?
    Nope, but he would need one to OC in a vehicle. Not all those who support gun rights carry...in fact, most of here would support one right to choose whether or not they carry. As long as he votes to protect gun rights (as he has every time) he's alright with me on that front.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Pau...ol.htm#02n-NRA

    He also has A ratings from both the NRA and GOA.
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    Re: Paul Ryan: 'I Am Happy To Be Clinging To My Guns And My Religion!'

    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    How come he ain't clinging to his gun that is openly displayed on his hip? He is in Carnegie, PA. Does he need a permission slip to OC in Carnegie, PA?

    Is he a FUDD?
    I know tons of people who are really strong on 2a but don't own guns at all because they feel they have no need for them. (I also live in southern Maine. Crime isn't much of an issue here in comparison to other places.) You got to remember too that there is a stigma to carrying, and especially to OC. Sure, showing up on stage oc'ing would shore our votes more, but let's face it, it could shy others away, and would definitely be demonized by the "main stream" media. I don't like it, but that's politics and am happy that he is strong on 2a.

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    PR is what Romney needs to get elected. Saying that you are "happy to be clinging to my guns and religion" sets an image in the citizenry's mind.

    (paragraph seven and eight) <snip> And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

    Obama made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience. He described blue collar Pennsylvanians with a series of what in the eyes of Californians might be considered pure negatives: guns, clinging to religion, antipathy, xenophobia. <snip>

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhil...a_b_96188.html
    Good politics to be sure.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    He also has A ratings from both the NRA and GOA.
    So what rating does Mitt "I support AWB and handgun registration" Romney have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    So what rating does Mitt "I support AWB and handgun registration" Romney have?
    To be fair he is a life-long hunter and life time NRA member
    "I support the ban on assault weapons" - Donald Trump

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    He also brought up "Joe , I didn't build that,the Plumber" in the same speech. Talk about pandering.

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    Paul Ryan: 'I Am Happy To Be Clinging To My Guns And My Religion!'

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    He also brought up "Joe , I didn't build that,the Plumber" in the same speech. Talk about pandering.
    Isn't pandering synonymous with politics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    To be fair he is a life-long hunter and life time NRA member
    Interesting thought...I wonder how high the correlation is between lifetime members (especially with politicians) and the "A" ratings the NRA gives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    So what's he going to do when Romney gets ready to sign a national assault rifle ban? Shoot him hisself?
    Pretty sure he's talking about Romney and mocking the other people overlooking Romney's record because his name isn't Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    Interesting thought...I wonder how high the correlation is between lifetime members (especially with politicians) and the "A" ratings the NRA gives?
    Good question!

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    A political regurgitation of rhetoric that sent President Obama to the White House with 10,000,000 more votes than McCain. I wish they wouldn't waste their time with rehashing crapola that won't work.

    Ryan will give Romney a tiny boost, but overall, Ryan will end-up being a drag on Romney's already sinking ship.

    I dig that Ryan is a hunter though. I don;t dig his political hackery.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    A political regurgitation of rhetoric that sent President Obama to the White House with 10,000,000 more votes than McCain. I wish they wouldn't waste their time with rehashing crapola that won't work.

    Ryan will give Romney a tiny boost, but overall, Ryan will end-up being a drag on Romney's already sinking ship.

    I dig that Ryan is a hunter though. I don;t dig his political hackery.
    I guess what I don't understand, Beretta, is how you can correctly call Ryan's actions political hackery, yet not see the same in Obama.

    He's packed his administration with big bankers--fourteen at last count if I recall. He's cozied up to corporations. He'd sell your rights to the first lobbyist to make a donation to the Democrat campaign. Ditto for the Republicrats.

    No matter which party has been in power in the last 45 years (and neither party is ever genuinely out of power), deficit spending goes up--empowering the bankers by taking loans to finance the deficit spending, regulations multiply, and freedom shrinks.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    Good stuff! Let's hope he sticks to those guns if elected.
    Only Cheney has been a VP that has any influence on a sitting president that I can remember ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    I guess what I don't understand, Beretta, is how you can correctly call Ryan's actions political hackery, yet not see the same in Obama.
    I feel that you all express enough of your opinions about President Obama; no sense in me adding to it.

    He's packed his administration with big bankers--fourteen at last count if I recall. He's cozied up to corporations. He'd sell your rights to the first lobbyist to make a donation to the Democrat campaign. Ditto for the Republicrats.
    He's done many things I don't agree with. As I have stated before, on a number of occasions: Different side of the same coin.--the question is: Which side do you want to look at the next four years?

    Let me see here: The anit-Gay, anti-abortion candidate who's got a slash everything budget in mind--that is, except for military spending, which he wants to increase; or the soft anti-gay, anti-firearm, uber-pragmatist, who sold-out the Public Option. Hell, I'll take four more years of President Obama, than eight years of Romney. Do all the wishful thinking you like over the next four years, regarding possibly getting Romney out of office in 2016 with a 'better' candidate, it ain't going to happen, so, Romney is voted in, he is there for eight years.

    No matter which party has been in power in the last 45 years (and neither party is ever genuinely out of power), deficit spending goes up--empowering the bankers by taking loans to finance the deficit spending, regulations multiply, and freedom shrinks.

    Great, we agree, and you ask me why I am voting for one over the other?: I am being Practical here, knowing that a Principle vote is a waste of the gas it takes to get to the voting booth.

    BTW, Freedom has gone no-place. Freedom is a BS notion. Freedom will never be Ideal, Freedom will never be Absolute.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    Great, we agree, and you ask me why I am voting for one over the other?: I am being Practical here, knowing that a Principle vote is a waste of the gas it takes to get to the voting booth.
    So you agree that no matter who you vote for, the country is going to continue down it's path of degradation, but refuse to vote for the candidates that'll actually try to improve things because it's a waste of gas and time?

    So then why bother voting at all?

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    Re: Paul Ryan: 'I Am Happy To Be Clinging To My Guns And My Religion!'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    So you agree that no matter who you vote for, the country is going to continue down it's path of degradation, but refuse to vote for the candidates that'll actually try to improve things because it's a waste of gas and time?

    So then why bother voting at all?
    Too early...^^^^^ That.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I feel that you all express enough of your opinions about President Obama; no sense in me adding to it.



    He's done many things I don't agree with. As I have stated before, on a number of occasions: Different side of the same coin.--the question is: Which side do you want to look at the next four years?

    Let me see here: The anit-Gay, anti-abortion candidate who's got a slash everything budget in mind--that is, except for military spending, which he wants to increase; or the soft anti-gay, anti-firearm, uber-pragmatist, who sold-out the Public Option. Hell, I'll take four more years of President Obama, than eight years of Romney. Do all the wishful thinking you like over the next four years, regarding possibly getting Romney out of office in 2016 with a 'better' candidate, it ain't going to happen, so, Romney is voted in, he is there for eight years.




    Great, we agree, and you ask me why I am voting for one over the other?: I am being Practical here, knowing that a Principle vote is a waste of the gas it takes to get to the voting booth.

    BTW, Freedom has gone no-place. Freedom is a BS notion. Freedom will never be Ideal, Freedom will never be Absolute.
    You do realize that the issues you are claiming against Romney are constitutional issues, AND the president has nothing to do with proposed constitutional amendments?

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    The NRA 'A' rating is how NRA bigwigs get invited to "The Inside the Beltway" cocktail parties. If they did not hand them out they would be drinking PBRs at the VFW in Winfield Missouri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    To be fair he is a life-long hunter and life time NRA member
    Does not mean much, he will say and do anything to be elected. Romney cannot say or be a pro gun supporter just as you cannot just put a nice Sunday dress on a hooker making her into honest homemaker; fact is she is still a dirty hooker. Just because he will likely get a “A” from the NRA does not change the fact he is a two faced liar and cannot be trusted. How any gun rights group can look past his record of flip flopping ever give him an A.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is ... amendment/
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1422258.html

    Sorry it doesn't. He is just another progressive playing the conservative flute, he flip flops on what he believes in more than how many johns a hooker see a night. PRO GUN MY BUTT, do your own research on him and dont really on the NRA or the GOA, I am a member of both but they have their motives too.

    During his failed Senate campaign in 1994, Romney came out in favor of the Brady Bill, a Clinton-era touchstone for gun-control advocates, and a ban on specific assault weapons. To the chagrin of gun owners, he bluntly declared, "I don't line up with the NRA."

    It won’t be the first time Romney’s lied on this subject. When he later ran for governor, he promised he would veto any efforts to weaken the state’s gun laws. Later, he claimed the NRA had endorsed him in that election. Of course, it hadn’t.

    And the NRA was right not to endorse back then. Once he became governor, Romney quadrupled fees on Massachusetts gun owners, making it harder for folks to get a license to carry their firearms.

    But when Romney started running for president six years ago, he decided it was time to join the NRA. He even admitted that he did so merely to get the group’s blessing. I earned an “A” rating from the NRA by being an actual defender of the Second Amendment; Romney tried to sneak in the back door.

    Romney has also been caught lying about his hunting experience and guns. “I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life” he pandered in 2007, making the awkward claim that he hunts “small varmints.” What Romney neglected to mention is that he’d hunted only twice: First as a 15-year-old shooting rabbits, and then 45 years later, when he went quail hunting with some political donors.

    The Romney campaign admitted a few months ago that its candidate bought two shotguns in the past five years – but not before he falsely claimed to be a gun owner. “Leave it to Mitt Romney, “ the Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi wrote, “to shoot himself in the foot with a gun he doesn’t own.”


    Mitt Romney signs legislation to extend the Massachusetts' ban on assault weapons on July 1, 2004.
    WASHINGTON -- Two hours before then-Gov. Mitt Romney was to sign a bill outlawing assault weapons and small handguns in Massachusetts, John Rosenthal, a leading gun control advocate, received an unexpected phone call.

    Rosenthal had worked with statehouse leaders on the legislation, which would replace the expiring federal assault weapons ban. Through all that time, he had never had a conversation with the governor. He wasn't even sure if Romney would sign the bill into law. Now, without warning, Rosenthal had the governor's spokesman Eric Ferhnstrom on the phone asking if he'd attend the signing ceremony.

    Rosenthal scrambled. He arrived at the statehouse 30 minutes before the ceremony, met with Ferhnstrom -- who remains Romney's top communications hand -- and was notified that he would be standing behind the governor on the podium and allowed to speak. What happened next remains a subject of contention for those in attendance.

    Minutes before the bill signing, Romney's staff tore down a sign listing the name of Jim Wallace, an official with the National Rifle Association-affiliated Gun Owners' Action League and the top gun rights advocate in the state. In its place, they installed a Rosenthal placard.

    "The National Rifle Association and Jim Wallace were completely dissed," Rosenthal told The Huffington Post." Romney "shook my hand, thanked me for being there and for my leadership, and he listened to my remarks in which, frankly, I applauded him for signing the bill."

    http://web.archive.org/web/200209110...02.com/issues/ In his second run for office, the framing was similar. On his 2002, gubernatorial campaign website, Romney declared his support for "the strict enforcement of gun laws" as well as "the federal assault weapons ban." The website covered all bases, noting that "Mitt also believes in the rights of those who hunt to responsibly own and use firearms." But the campaign left the impression that Romney appreciated Massachusetts' famously tight gun laws.

    "I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal," Romney told Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes during an August 2004 taping of their Fox News show. "
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    As Romney embarked on his first run in the GOP presidential primary, it became clear just how enraged those advocates were. Romney struggled to sell himself either as a born-again Second Amendment champion or an authentic gun-rights advocate. But it wasn't for lack of trying. Romney declined to stand by his support for the Brady Bill. He joined the NRA in 2006 and began talking about his own hunting exploits, often awkwardly. In 2007, he appeared at the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show with Wayne LaPierre, the NRA leader. Around that time, Romney bought two shotguns, his campaign said in February.
    This year, the NRA address will be in person.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1422258.html
    "It is no more complicated than the fact that he is untrustworthy," Rosenthal said of Romney, who he praised in 2004. "His positions on any issue are going to change according to his audience. That's his history."
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    What is Romney's NRA rating?
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    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zack991 View Post
    [B]Does not mean much,
    for posterity sake... I was trying to be ironic. Romney is quite simply a liar.
    He would make a great follow-up on the liar in the WH right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    What is Romney's NRA rating?
    http://www.nrapvf.org/
    That is the website that would tell us but he is not on there.


    The Man deserves and F, but I guess because he has a R next to his name and he is another empty suit. I am sure he will get an A for effort. The only thing I could find was he says he was given a B rating by the NRA, yet he was NEVER endorsed.

    Maybe it was the pressure of the moment. Being under the Tim Russert spotlight can get to anyone. Under Russert's grilling about guns on this morning's "Meet the Press," former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed an endorsement he'd never won.

    In answer to questions about whether he would sign an assault weapons ban, Romney said: "Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill if it came to his desk, and so would have I. And, and, and yet I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I'd love to have their support."

    Later in the interview, he added the following:

    "I just talked about, about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."

    The problem?

    He was never endorsed by the NRA, and didn't have their official support during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. The NRA declined to endorse in that race, as was acknowledged by Romney's spokesman this morning.

    "The NRA did not endorse in the 2002 campaign," said spokesman Kevin Madden, when asked about Romney's comments. "Mitt Romney as a candidate received a respectable B grade rating from the NRA, . . . .

    What Madden didn't say was that Romney's Democratic opponent in the governor's race, Shannon O'Brien, was given a more than respectable "A" grade by the NRA, according to its website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    So you agree that no matter who you vote for, the country is going to continue down it's path of degradation, but refuse to vote for the candidates that'll actually try to improve things because it's a waste of gas and time?

    So then why bother voting at all?
    I don't believe we are going down a path of degredation is all respects. The economy is going to continue to lag because of many factors: Debt, oil prices, etc. We are going to continue to be a Nation of takers, and not a Nation of givers.--meaning: nobody wants to pay extra taxes for our infrastructure, nobody wants to work-out a form of health-insurance that is not-for-profit. Both sides of the equation are contributing to a self-fulfilled prophecy of Degredation.

    I assert that there is no candidate, currently, that is trying to improve things.--all I see is individuals who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year (only counting on the books), arguing more than many of us argue on here. It's funny but we all respond on here, and aren't paid for it, and it appears most of the time we form a general consensus, event though it doesn't always feel like it...and we aren't being paid to.

    You make a good point about why vote at all.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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