The way I explain the Holy Trinity is that first we can not fully understand everything about God since we are not God so there will always be some leap of faith needed to understand as much as we can and believe in faith that He is what He is and does what He says. Secondly I relate it to relationships. I am my fathers son, my brothers/sisters brother, my childs dad and my nephews uncle. I am one person but have different personas depending on who and how I am relating to. So God became man to relate to us directly human to human but he was still 100% God and 100% man. He was tempted in every same way we are but was able to resist because he was still 100% God.
The old testament refers to the Angel of the Lord which some believe was a preincarnated Jesus and not just some angel working for God. I kind of wonder if the Angel of the Lord is really an angel, 100% angel and 100% God like Jesus is to us humans. Then again the trinity is Father, Son and Holy Spirit so I don't know how my thoughts would map into that scenario.
With some tongue in cheek some wonder if the Trinity can be better explained by a example like, John Moses Browning represents the Father, he formed and poured his spirit into the 1911 which would represent Jesus, and I guess the discharged bullets could represent the Holy Spirit as they fly over the face of the earth. :lol:
G-Day Mate. Oh, to live in Virginia.
The word trinity isn't even mentioned one time in the entire bible. The word Godhead is mentioned three times, once in Acts, once in Romans and again in Colossians. Most churches only teach a load of BS to keep people in fear, bondage, and to keep the money rolling in!
Christ is a member of the Godhead, not the trinity.
"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device." (Acts 17:29).
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" (Romans 1:20).
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." (Colossians 2:9).
Believe it or not, there are three distinct and separate beings, each with their own body, called God. This most churches wont tell people.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1 John 5:7). This proves them to be three separate persons or they could not be three witnesses. Three persons cannot be one except in unity. One person cannot be three persons or three persons cannot be one person in any sense. Any number above one implies plurality, and any number of persons can be one in unity.
It is three witnesses for bearing witness to the Sonship of Jesus is the whole subject of 1 John 5:5-11, 13, 20.
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are" (John 17:11);
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me" (John 17:21-23).
The disciples were many, but Jesus asked the Father to keep them "one" as He and the Father were, 'One' in unity. Not of the disciples were inside each other or in one another and Jesus never asked the Father to do this.
Both God and man demand more than one witness to confirm truth. Any set of three witnesses could not be just three parts of one person for this would not be accepted in any court and would not meet the demands of God Himself, but they must be three separate persons to confirm anything.
"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:8). He definately said there were three separate persons and two separate things that bare witness in both Heaven and Earth. The Spirit bears witness in both places. In addition to two or three witnesses in any court there can be any number of things shown to confirm the testimony of the persons who are witnesses in the case. So here in addition to the Three Persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost), the "water" and the "blood" confirm the witness of the Father and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, that Jesus was and is the Son of God with a flesh body to atone for sin and fully redeem man to the Father.
There are three witnesses and two things that witness in Heaven and Earth to His Sonship:
The Father (one person, who begat the Son),
The Word (the Son, who was begotten, John 1:1-2, 14, 18; 3:16-18),
The Holy Ghost (a third person who bares witness in both Heaven and Earth and who was the actual power of begetting, Luke 1:32-35; Matt. 1:18-25); t
The water (referring to the water baptism of Christ when witness was given to Him by the Father speaking of Him from Heaven and the Spirit from Heaven descending upon the Son, Matt.3:16-17; John 1:31-34; 1 John 5:6, 9), and the blood (which was shed to seal and witness the New Testament, Matt. 26:28).
The phrases "THESE THREE ARE ONE" and "THESE THREE AGREE IN ONE" mean the same thing as seen by like expressions in Scripture. In both cases the "THREE" are "ONE" in unity, or to one point; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and not the Father or the Holy Ghost.
After over 15 years of studying the Bible to discredit the Bible I admit I failed?
