two arrested in plot to overthrow US government and kill obama

Beretta92FSLady said:

The Government Power originate from A people, not The people. The people legitimize the Governments Power

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Wait, didn't you just say it's 'A people', not 'The people'? What kind of semantic trickery is this?
Clarify what you mean by that please! I think it says "We The People..." not "We A People..."

GoatSenator said:

Wait, didn't you just say it's 'A people', not 'The people'? What kind of semantic trickery is this?
Clarify what you mean by that please! I think it says "We The People..." not "We A People..."

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It's a roundabout way of saying the politicians have given themselves power, thus a select group of people(a people), whereas the people legitimize that power they have seized by continuing to vote the very same people into office.

I think.

EMNofSeattle said:

Our public access TV likes to broadcast county commission meetings at 1 in the morning. Your method is great too, but the majority of people in my county probably don't watch the board meetings at all, live or over TV. And that's a shame, it's like so many people were pissed off when the county put a roundabout in THR middle of nowhere while claiming due to budget cuts they would have to release sex offenders. And people were so angry, and yet no one ever came to the meetings to oppose the roundabout. No one came to the meetings to complain, no one even knows who their commissioners are in some cases.

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I hear ya. I monitor the city and county web sites so I don't miss anything. It is difficult at times due to our often busy schedule after the kids get home from school.

Jack House said:

It's a roundabout way of saying the politicians have given themselves power, thus a select group of people(a people), whereas the people legitimize that power they have seized by continuing to vote the very same people into office.

I think.

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No that's what she meant- you're right.

"Two arrested in plot to overthrow US government..."

2 people...probably not quite enough manpower to accomplish that goal. ;-)

twoskinsonemanns said:

I love it.

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Don't blame me .. I voted for Kang..

GoatSenator said:

Wait, didn't you just say it's 'A people', not 'The people'? What kind of semantic trickery is this?
Clarify what you mean by that please! I think it says "We The People..." not "We A People..."

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"A People" is a reference to the originator's of our Living/Breathing Constitution--The Founding Fathers are the A People, acting on behalf of The People, at their time; basically, what I am stating, is that we are not The People, there are no The People, they died hundreds of years ago.

Our current Government is Despotic, huh?: A Constitution, that was written by a long-dead generation, being Supreme Law of the Land today, that is Despotism of the worse kind, IMO. Who is George Washington to tell us how our society is to be structured?--Who is Madison?

IMO, we ought not be obligated to many of the so-called Traditional Social, and Constitutional imperatives that have been forced upon us all these hundreds of years later, especially after all these generations that have passed.

Washington couldn't even Roll Over in his grave over this post, he is likely dust by now. We all have a right to Legacy of family, but to mandate a Legacy on a whole society of people, into perpetuity?...no thanks.

Beretta92FSLady said:

"A People" is a reference to the originator's of our Living/Breathing Constitution--The Founding Fathers are the A People, acting on behalf of The People, at their time; basically, what I am stating, is that we are not The People, there are no The People, they died hundreds of years ago.

Our current Government is Despotic, huh?: A Constitution, that was written by a long-dead generation, being Supreme Law of the Land today, that is Despotism of the worse kind, IMO. Who is George Washington to tell us how our society is to be structured?--Who is Madison?

IMO, we ought not be obligated to many of the so-called Traditional Social, and Constitutional imperatives that have been forced upon us all these hundreds of years later, especially after all these generations that have passed.

Washington couldn't even Roll Over in his grave over this post, he is likely dust by now. We all have a right to Legacy of family, but to mandate a Legacy on a whole society of people, into perpetuity?...no thanks.

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Somalia has no government, hence no constitution to interfere. But then there is no socialism or communism there either.

WalkingWolf said:

Somalia has no government, hence no constitution to interfere. But then there is no socialism or communism there either.

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I see. So, are you stating we would be better-off, or worse-off?

Beretta92FSLady said:

I see. So, are you stating we would be better-off, or worse-off?

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Just a public service announcement...

davidmcbeth said:

Don't blame me .. I voted for Kang..

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Nice.

Beretta92FSLady said:

"A People" is a reference to the originator's of our Living/Breathing Constitution--The Founding Fathers are the A People, acting on behalf of The People, at their time; basically, what I am stating, is that we are not The People, there are no The People, they died hundreds of years ago.

Our current Government is Despotic, huh?: A Constitution, that was written by a long-dead generation, being Supreme Law of the Land today, that is Despotism of the worse kind, IMO. Who is George Washington to tell us how our society is to be structured?--Who is Madison?

IMO, we ought not be obligated to many of the so-called Traditional Social, and Constitutional imperatives that have been forced upon us all these hundreds of years later, especially after all these generations that have passed.

Washington couldn't even Roll Over in his grave over this post, he is likely dust by now. We all have a right to Legacy of family, but to mandate a Legacy on a whole society of people, into perpetuity?...no thanks.

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Especially that out dated 2nd Amendment. We have a modern and effective police protection system these days. They are capable of a rapid response to protect the citizenry. Back in GW's day a cop was never ever anywhere close to being around.

Confiscate all guns everywhere, the 2nd Amendment is out dated and no longer applicable to a modern and sophisticated society.

OC for ME said:

Especially that out dated 2nd Amendment. We have a modern and effective police protection system these days. They are capable of a rapid response to protect the citizenry. Back in GW's day a cop was never ever anywhere close to being around.

Confiscate all guns everywhere, the 2nd Amendment is out dated and no longer applicable to a modern and sophisticated society.

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Don't go getting your boxers all knotted-up. I'm not stating the Second Amendment is Outdated; I am stating that it obviously needs to be clarified, or you will see the Second Amendment private Right not extending outside the home, period.--we are becoming a more Liberal Nation, not less.

OC for ME said:

Especially that out dated 2nd Amendment. We have a modern and effective police protection system these days. They are capable of a rapid response to protect the citizenry. Back in GW's day a cop was never ever anywhere close to being around.

Confiscate all guns everywhere, the 2nd Amendment is out dated and no longer applicable to a modern and sophisticated society.

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We have the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves FROM the police .... odd, the british had no issues enforcing laws ...

We should find the liberals and confiscate their guns, if they believe the 2A is outdated WTH are they doing with guns?

Beretta92FSLady said:

Don't go getting your boxers all knotted-up. I'm not stating the Second Amendment is Outdated; I am stating that it obviously needs to be clarified, or you will see the Second Amendment private Right not extending outside the home, period.--we are becoming a more Liberal Nation, not less.

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We are becoming a nation with more liberals, not a more liberal nation. We definitely have less freedom than we use to. It seems that the liberals are the ones always coming up with the new regulations and laws that prevent us from enjoying freedom.

Beretta92FSLady said:

I'm not stating the Second Amendment is Outdated

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That's EXACTLY what you said.

OC for ME said:

Especially that out dated 2nd Amendment. We have a modern and effective police protection system these days. They are capable of a rapid response to protect the citizenry. Back in GW's day a cop was never ever anywhere close to being around.

Confiscate all guns everywhere, the 2nd Amendment is out dated and no longer applicable to a modern and sophisticated society.

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Beretta92FSLady said:

Don't go getting your boxers all knotted-up. I'm not stating the Second Amendment is Outdated; I am stating that it obviously needs to be clarified, or you will see the Second Amendment private Right not extending outside the home, period.--we are becoming a more Liberal Nation, not less.

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>says the constitution is outdated

>says she isn't saying the second amendment is outdated

>the 2nd amendment is IN the constitution

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Beretta92FSLady said:

"A People" is a reference to the originator's of our Living/Breathing Constitution--The Founding Fathers are the A People, acting on behalf of The People, at their time; basically, what I am stating, is that we are not The People, there are no The People, they died hundreds of years ago.

Our current Government is Despotic, huh?: A Constitution, that was written by a long-dead generation, being Supreme Law of the Land today, that is Despotism of the worse kind, IMO. Who is George Washington to tell us how our society is to be structured?--Who is Madison?

IMO, we ought not be obligated to many of the so-called Traditional Social, and Constitutional imperatives that have been forced upon us all these hundreds of years later, especially after all these generations that have passed.

Washington couldn't even Roll Over in his grave over this post, he is likely dust by now. We all have a right to Legacy of family, but to mandate a Legacy on a whole society of people, into perpetuity?...no thanks.

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I agree. I never consented, either directly or indirectly, to the any constitution or social contract. I gave no voluntary agreement when I was born, or when I was "of age", there was only coercion by the government.

There's no liberty here. I'm not free to leave this country if I want to seek another country. The only way the government says you can modify the government is by using a "voting" system that was setup by "a people", the same "a people" which setup the government in the first place.

There is no "the people", there never was, there was only "a people".

As I've mentioned before, for me, reading the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers was an eye opening experience that made me question the U.S. Constitution and the Framers more than ever. Hologram of Liberty was the icing on the cake for me.

I've was cured of my parchment worship since before I read "Hologram of Liberty", but I've heard it has cured others only after reading the first first few pages.

Beretta92FSLady said:

I'm not stating the Second Amendment is Outdated; I am stating that it obviously needs to be clarified, or you will see the Second Amendment private Right not extending outside the home, period.

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Here is where I disagree. I don't think there should be a "Second Amendment". I don't think there should even be a constitution or public government unless 100% of "the people" agree on it, including people born after it was created.