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    Any of ya'll from Spokane have experience here? I'll be going to pick up my marriage license on Thursday and am just trying to mentally prepare for "checking" my handgun at the courthouse. Do they have lockboxes? Am I going to have to give it to an officer/security and have it handed back unloaded and instructed not to load it till I'm outside? (Which would be not smart since loading it in public may be in violation of .270) I've been trying to devise a way to lock my CZ-P07 to my retention holster so that it is not removable but have been unsuccessful....

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    Try locking it in a small bag or case before handing it over. I was thinking about a deposit bag. They seem big enough to hold the pistol and holster, but still flexible enough to fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCKilla View Post
    Try locking it in a small bag or case before handing it over. I was thinking about a deposit bag.
    That's a great idea! About $25 at Staples, less online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    Any of ya'll from Spokane have experience here? I'll be going to pick up my marriage license on Thursday and am just trying to mentally prepare for "checking" my handgun at the courthouse. Do they have lockboxes? Am I going to have to give it to an officer/security and have it handed back unloaded and instructed not to load it till I'm outside? (Which would be not smart since loading it in public may be in violation of .270) I've been trying to devise a way to lock my CZ-P07 to my retention holster so that it is not removable but have been unsuccessful....

    -Thor
    Thor depending upon what your position on this whole matter is. I am not sure about Spokane though here in Yakima you advise them you are carrying, they give you a key, you lock it up and maintain the key until you retrieve your firearm upon departure and then return it.

    Then of course you hear about the Tacoma Courts and unloading the firearm, running of serial numbers to requiring you to reload outside and so on so forth.

    One could call and talk to security ahead of time and asked them their procedure and determine from there how you want to proceed, pst it is not asking permission it is seeking information to form an opinion or your actions.
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    Thor, Congratulations!!
    Take a black ink pen with you.
    Yes they do have lock boxes at the main and DMV licensing entrance. It all depends on who is on duty and how knowledgeable they are as to any problems.
    Just go in the main entrance tell them you would like a lock box for your sidearm. You should not have to unload it and they should not give you any problems.
    Also, try not to get into any sideways conversations like, Do you have a cpl or not vs OC? It is only a distraction. Stick to your business.
    If they do ask where you are going, tell them. In this case it might make the situation easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fetch View Post
    If they do ask where you are going, tell them. In this case it might make the situation easier.
    Easier is not always the point...
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    Good luck

    The spd does not think the Spokane County Courthouse is in the state of Washington. They have some rules. Can not wait to hear the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    Any of ya'll from Spokane have experience here? I'll be going to pick up my marriage license on Thursday and am just trying to mentally prepare for "checking" my handgun at the courthouse. Do they have lockboxes? Am I going to have to give it to an officer/security and have it handed back unloaded and instructed not to load it till I'm outside? (Which would be not smart since loading it in public may be in violation of .270) I've been trying to devise a way to lock my CZ-P07 to my retention holster so that it is not removable but have been unsuccessful....

    -Thor
    I think the other poster is correct that there are lockboxes at the main entrance (I only go by there 4 or 5 times every day so you would think I would notice). I know they are there at the Annex entrance. Remember - - most of the County offices close at 4:00. I wouldn't get there any later than 3:00. You shouldn't have too much trouble with security as Thursdays aren't usually a very high traffic day. Don't go on a Monday or Friday morning - - way too many people. They are closed on Friday afternoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40grit View Post
    The spd does not think the Spokane County Courthouse is in the state of Washington. They have some rules. Can not wait to hear the story.
    Security in the Spokane County Courthouse is the responsibility of the Spokane County Sheriff. The Spokane Police Department has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lammo View Post
    I think the other poster is correct that there are lockboxes at the main entrance (I only go by there 4 or 5 times every day so you would think I would notice). I know they are there at the Annex entrance. Remember - - most of the County offices close at 4:00. I wouldn't get there any later than 3:00. You shouldn't have too much trouble with security as Thursdays aren't usually a very high traffic day. Don't go on a Monday or Friday morning - - way too many people. They are closed on Friday afternoons.
    I plan on being on the road to Lower Granite Dam by 1600, I think our plans are first thing in the morning tomorrow so hopefully all should be good!

    Thanks for all your replies, I don't anticipate any issues especially since the SCSD seems to run the show there. I'll let ya'll know how it goes good bad or indifferent!

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    Well it went okay. Lockbox right at the security entrance. Only had issues with ID. I'll be following up after the holiday weekend. They sure don't like to make it easy do they? My 2 issues were:

    1. Rent a cop wouldn't let me go through security without taking my cpl. I had it on me so I didn't lie. I did explain that I did not come in concealing and didn't need one. I was getting the evil eye from the other half so I gave him my cpl.

    2. Leavin I grabbed my gun from the locker and was asked for ID before I could get my permit back. I asked for a supervisor. Deputy Martone came out and have me the "what's the big deal don't you carry ID?" speal. Again my other half and son are now waiting on me because of these guys. I showed him ID and he matched it to my cpl and handed them both back.

    It pisses me off that my family was inconvienced by "officials" and I had to cave to keep the other half happy. I will be going to the courthouse in a few months again to renew my CPL and will not cave that time cause I'll be alone. I'll also be emailing the Sheriff and the security company to let them know of my dissatisfaction.

    Any thoughts on how I should handle the response would be appreciated.

    -Thor
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    Very frustrating, the one specific method listed in the RCW has no need for ID, the alternative methods should also not require ID, we need to find a Sheriff or other party to ask the Attorney General for an opinion on the RCW, if it comes out badly at least it would be settled until a change in the law could occur.

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    The law also states that the secure/prohibited area needs to be limited. I was able to get them to move the ropes for Whatcom Court house so the whole first floor, is now free for me to roam while being armed.

    If the court houses are not on the first floor, this might be something to bring up also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    The law also states that the secure/prohibited area needs to be limited. I was able to get them to move the ropes for Whatcom Court house so the whole first floor, is now free for me to roam while being armed.

    If the court houses are not on the first floor, this might be something to bring up also.
    Family Law courtroom is right around the corner from the main entrance, maybe 30 feet away so they are square there.

    FWIW, The annex entrance is another story. The only offices on the main floor of the annex are Dept of Licensing and the High Nooner restaurant. They recently redid the door to the High Nooner and you now have to go through security in order to get a sandwich or a cup of coffee. Closest courtrooms are on the second floor.
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    I will be denied entry to the Courthouse if I do not produce a CPL/ID!

    Here is my answer via email straight from Spokane County Sheriffs Public Information Officer..... For you reading pleasure (sorry its kind of long, start from the bottom) since there is no disclaimer on his end that this communication is confidential. I look forward to some input on where to proceed from here. I'm thinking an email to my elected representative that runs this operation, Sheriff Ozzie. After my wedding though since between work and getting married this week I wont have much time to get my thoughts together....

    He emphasized twice that it is to make sure that the gun makes it back to the right person, even after I emphasized that the rent a cops never handle the gun so how could it get screwed up on their end unless they have extra keys and open the lockers after we enter the restricted area?

    -Thor

    RE: Courthouse Security Procedures Re: Deputy Craig Chamberlin Contact from Spokane County Public Website
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    "Craig K. Chamberlin" <CChamberlin@SpokaneSheriff.org> On: Sep 09/10/12 10:17 AM

    Yes. The courthouse rules are stricter, as you well know, to make sure the weapons are given back to their rightful owner. That is the reason for your ID since there are no photos on the CPL. Craig.



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    Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 7:07 PM
    To: Chamberlin, Craig K.
    Subject: Re: Courthouse Security Procedures Re: Deputy Craig Chamberlin Contact from Spokane County Public Website



    Hello Deputy Chamberlin,
    Thank you for your prompt reply, sorry mine was a little delayed due to the holiday weekend. My question still remains unanswered. Will I be denied entry to the courthouse should I not provide my CPL or ID?

    My biggest concern is that I was told that the Security Company (which is a private subcontractor, and I'm guessing that they are contracted to the Spokane County Sheriffs department) required my CPL to allow me entrance to the courthouse AFTER I had secured my pistol in the provided lock box. As you have acknowledged a CPL is NOT required to carry a firearm openly so it is safe to say that not everyone who carries a firearm will have a CPL to give to this security company. I'll give you a few examples of why a CPL may not be readily available to a person who is checking a firearm at the courthouse:

    1. As stated in the previous paragraph a person my legally carry a firearm openly and may not have a CPL. Ie: A new resident to WA state who has not met the requirements for a CPL yet, a person who has just turned 21 and is waiting on their CPL to come in the mail, etc....
    2. I don't normally carry my CPL on my person UNLESS I plan on concealing sometime throughout the day. I may keep it in my vehicle since it is required per RCW 9.41.050 (2)(a), to carry a loaded pistol in a vehicle but not always on my person.
    3. I am visiting the courthouse to RENEW my CPL, in which leaving my old one at the security desk would be kind of disadvantageous since providing my old CPL at the time of renewal would be hard to do if the security guard has possession of it. Quote from DOL:
    What to bring with you

    Valid, government-issued photo identification (for example, a Washington driver license or ID card).

    Your current concealed pistol license.


    In regards to the statement that it is to "protect me", how is it possible for them to protect me when I have the key to the locker? (They didn't and cannot ask for ID upon weapon check-in they only UN-lawfully requested my CPL, which as stated before reasons that I may not, and probably will not have on my person next time.) I walk up put in the key that I was given and remove my firearm, the private security company has NO course of action to take except for retrieving the key after I have retrieved the pistol from the locker to which I had the key to.

    You also stated that the courthouse is more restrictive which is based on RCW, I've looked and the only ones I can find pertaining to Courthouses and Weapons is RCW 9.41.300 which states:

    Snip from 9.41.300
    "In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building."


    No where in .300 does it state that an ID OR CPL is required for a weapons check in at the courthouse. I would determine through common sense that in the case of a weapon "left with an Official" could be subject to an ID check (NOT a CPL seizure) as you stated to make sure that the proper firearm was returned to the right individual. HOWEVER in our case the lock box is not even positioned in a manner that it is accessible by the private security guards, they do not handle our weapons and since one does NOT need their assistance to retrieve their pistol on the way out (IE: I have the key and walk to the box get my pistol and give them back the key, which requires NOTHING of them except for to retrieve the key) there is no need for an ID. And again since ID is NOT required to get in the courthouse, then common sense dictates that ID/CPL is also NOT required to go into the courthouse for a normal citizen who happened to LEGALLY check in his/her firearm.



    My biggest issue/concern again is that the supposed "Policy" that I cant seem to find or get a copy of that supposedly "requires" me to hand over my CPL which contains personal information to someone who does not need it. Or possibly be denied entry to the courthouse while on legitimate business due to a flawed "Policy" that may be in violation of RCW 9.41.290.....

    Again I do thank you for your time on this matter and I would still like a link, or a copy to the Courthouse weapon check in rules. Or maybe you can forward this to someone who may have more specific details on this subject or who may be able to "re-train" the security company (the guard that checked me in had no idea that it was legal to openly carry, he thought we had a license to carry in general, not just a license to conceal.) on what is "required" of them and what is NOT "required" of the general public who may value their privacy like EVERY other citizen that enters the courthouse without being subjected to the scrutiny of an ID check.

    -Torsten

    From: "Craig K. Chamberlin" <CChamberlin@SpokaneSheriff.org>
    To: "@comcast.net" <@comcast.net>
    Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:45:43 PM
    Subject: REeputy Craig Chamberlin Contact from Spokane County Public Website


    Sir. Reason they need ID and your CPL is to protect you. It is the policy to ensure that the weapon is given back to the proper person rather than someone "claiming" to have put a gun in the locker. Also, it costs about $150.00 to get a new key for the lockers because they have to be specially made. The courthouse is a bit more restrictive, which is based on RCW. You are correct about open carry. You do not need a CPL. Like I said, not trying to make life difficult, we just have to be a bit more cautious in the courthouse. Hope this helps. Craig.



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    I am seriously thinking of getting a passport....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I am seriously thinking of getting a passport....
    In Spokane?
    Let me make a short, opening, blanket statement. There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody - except bad people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    In Spokane?
    Don't carry your CPL. Get a passport instead of ID, give that to them. No address, No DL #....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Don't carry your CPL. Get a passport instead of ID, give that to them. No address, No DL #....
    Yes, I've already started that practice. I do have a passport that is good until next year. I wonder what they would say since the photo on it was from 10 years ago. I've aged a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    Yes, I've already started that practice. I do have a passport that is good until next year. I wonder what they would say since the photo on it was from 10 years ago. I've aged a little.

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    It's a legal government ID, I do not believe that they can turn it away. Especially for the stated purpose.
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    Maybe he didn't read the entire email, but another annoying part about this is that he STILL did not provide me the information I requested about the actual weapons check in policy/procedure. He did not put me in touch with someone who had more specific details about this subject. AND it wasn't answered that once our weapons are in the locker, what makes us so different from the other people walking through security who's ID's they DON'T check! NOTHING does! We are now the same as every other Joe Schmoe that walks into the courthouse who are not required to ID themselves to go in!
    Let me make a short, opening, blanket statement. There are no good guns. There are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody - except bad people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Don't carry your CPL. Get a passport instead of ID, give that to them. No address, No DL #....
    As you well know they will still have all the information to access if you have a current CPL, Drivers License and Addressed and this will accomplished what?

    Thor80 and gogo I do agree they have no need for identification as if they provide a lock box they are required to provide the owner a key by RCW and there would be no issue of returning the firearm to the owner upon retrieval.

    RCW 9.41.300
    "In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building."
    When I dealt with this issue in Yakima County I contacted the Commissioners and they dealt with it, done deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    As you well know they will still have all the information to access if you have a current CPL, Drivers License and Addressed and this will accomplished what?

    Thor80 and gogo I do agree they have no need for identification as if they provide a lock box they are required to provide the owner a key by RCW and there would be no issue of returning the firearm to the owner upon retrieval.



    When I dealt with this issue in Yakima County I contacted the Commissioners and they dealt with it, done deal.
    There are lock-boxes with a key provided at Spokane County Court already. When you dealt with Yakima did they have no lock-boxes at all?

    My specific case is that they are claiming that they need to temporarily "seize" our CPL's while we are in the courthouse and then they demand ID to get your CPL back. Apparently according to Deputy Chamberlin also if you don't have a CPL or ID and you check your firearm like you are supposed to, then you will be denied entrance even with your sidearm locked up in a lock-box! I've been trying to find the specific policy that states this and dealing with the Sheriffs Dept because their "Patrol Division" is responsible for courthouse security....

    This is sincere BD. Do you think that going to the County Commissioners would help in this specific case? If so how?

    Thanks!

    -Thor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor80 View Post
    There are lock-boxes with a key provided at Spokane County Court already. When you dealt with Yakima did they have no lock-boxes at all?

    My specific case is that they are claiming that they need to temporarily "seize" our CPL's while we are in the courthouse and then they demand ID to get your CPL back. Apparently according to Deputy Chamberlin also if you don't have a CPL or ID and you check your firearm like you are supposed to, then you will be denied entrance even with your sidearm locked up in a lock-box! I've been trying to find the specific policy that states this and dealing with the Sheriffs Dept because their "Patrol Division" is responsible for courthouse security....

    This is sincere BD. Do you think that going to the County Commissioners would help in this specific case? If so how?

    Thanks!

    -Thor
    Yes the county had and has lock boxes and now so does the Jail which they did not provide for citizens but now do.

    The County Court House is under the preview of the County Commissioners so if you can get the support of them it will be much easier to accomplish your task.

    Regardless of the Sheriff's email or any policy they are still required to follow state law,
    Remember that unless specifically addressed by law, it is legal for a citizen, their request is not supported by law and unenforceable.
    When I discussed issues with the Commissioners in Yakima, they did seek advice from the Prosecuting Attorney and it has been my experience unless you spell it out with supporting state law they may try and side step things hoping you do not know what you are talking about.
    You are armed well with many supporters on the forum to address this issue, including me if you wish to head down this road.

    I would take the approach of citing;
    Washington State Constitution Article 1 Section 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

    RCW 9.41.290 State Preemption
    The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

    RCW 9.41.300 Weapons prohibited in certain places -- Local laws and ordinances -- Exceptions -- Penalty.
    (1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:
    (b)
    In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building.

    And advise them that you were being denied access to the county courthouse because security is acting outside the law.
    • Being prepared is to prepare, this is our responsibility.
    • I am not your Mommy or Daddy and do not sugar coat it but I will tell you simply as how I see it, it is up to you on how you will or will not use it.
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    Yes. The courthouse rules are stricter, as you well know, to make sure the weapons are given back to their rightful owner. That is the reason for your ID since there are no photos on the CPL. Craig.
    Hmmm even though state law says they can not be more "restrictive".....

    I find it so irritating that the "law enforcers" like to exempt themselves from law, while trying to enforce the law upon us.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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