Congrats and welcome to the club.
It was fairly cowardly, just on an evening walk in Lake Stevens with my wife & Glock 22. Already dark out.
No SWAT teams dropped from choppers, by the time we were done, I forgot I was carrying. Was fun to exercise liberty!
Since we don't yet have CPLs, I need to stay 1000'+ away from any school property, right? But after we receive those, I'm good to walk near there as well?
I've been reading OCDO for quite some time now, have wanted to OC for awhile, finally starting to feel comfortable enough in my understanding of the law to probably not make any huge blunders. Hopefully.
Congrats and welcome to the club.
I carry a Para Ordance 1911 .45 ACP.
Congrats!!! As to your questions a Washington state permit would exempt you from the 1000' rule while in Washington. It would not exempt you from schools in other states, even those with reciprocity.
"When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."
Besides I believe it applies to private schools too and I find those on main roads all the time.
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Greetings from Lake Stevens! Hope to see you around town. I've yet to see a "unicorn" here in Lake Stevens.
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The only places in Lake Stevens I go to is Target and Quiznos.
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Federal law, I haven't heard of anyone being prosecuted by Washington cops of any sort for it.
I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.
U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)
IMHO: even as unconstitutional as the 1000' rule is, if you look at McKenna's opinion from a couple years ago as to what is a school, and what is not...think traffic law. A school zone is a school zone only when classes are in session, As school is not a school unless there are students present and class is in session. Otherwise it is just another building.
I guess that you might find a definition under Washington law that would suggest that it's only a school when children are present, but I cannot walk out of my neighborhood and see whether there are children present for sure, so I for one will honor the rule of law and just get a CPL. Though I do think this law IS unconstitutional and should be repealed.
Is it a school? or is it a church? when the church facilities are used for school purposes?
McKenna's obversation was: if there are organized school activities for school purposes going on, it is a school, if it is at a named school or not. Just because a building has a sign on front that says "Lake Stevens High School" (or any other named "school") does not mean there are carry restrictions. Conversely, just because it does not have the name of a organized "school", does not mean that the school restrictions are not present...if where it is is used "exclusively" for organized school purposes.
It's summer vacations...(for a couple more days)...there are no "schools" that in session, so there are no "schools" for the purposes of the 1000' garbage. Same for weekends and evenings...
Do you understand the difference? If you could name a building a "school", and automatically have the restrictions in place, how long do you think it would take Seattle to name everything they possibly could a "school"?
You really need to read the AG's opinion.
ADDED: if you reread the last line of the federal law that you quote, it states "(26) The term “school” means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law."
I am pointing you to the WA AG's opinion what WA STATE LAW means...OK?
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The only place I havnt carried in Lake Stevens that we have went (that I have been out of uniform) is the post office and a sister store for the company I work for. I cant get in the zone openly carrying. Schmucks/Oreally's havnt said anything. I dont get a discount there, but I dont have to unstrap to go in to get washer fluid or oil which I dont get a discount on anyway. Safeway, ACE, BurgerKing, Walgreens, Library, parks, All been ok. Course, We are Moving to Marysville tomorrow so I probably wont be seen in Lake Stevens anymore.
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what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?
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