Conduct on this forum and Stainless.

ken243 · Aug 31, 2012

As I wrote the following the thread was locked. Admin's please allow this thread to stay up. I believe/hope it will correct the problems on the "Something wrong with this sign" thread.

Can we get back on track here or will the admin's please lock this thread?

Stainless, I am with you 100% on your dealings with Waterford schools. That said your conduct beyond that I will not form an opinion because I do not have anything other than here-say to go by. But your conduct on this forum is tasteless when it comes to recent posts. Enough is a enough. I will gladly stand beside you defending our rights in Michigan. But your continued trolling is unacceptable. You tarnish your reputation and credibility when you make some of the comments you have made. With that said, I also believe others have been judgmental and over-bearing with some of your posts. Stainless, please just stop trolling or replying with questionable content. You have vast knowledge on 2A rights, use it. Please contribute to this cause and our rights with intellectual, useful and mature comments on this forum. There is no place for sarcasm when tone modulation or facial expressions can not be used (unless said sarcasm is noted, i.e. /sarcasm). PLEASE do not respond to this post. If you would like to have a discussion about this PM me.

Others, (you know who you are) I had a great time at the only OC event I have attended in Birmingham. I met many people I would gladly stand beside and be arrested with should similar illegal conduct continue with any police officer like it did with Sean. But, some of you have been "quick on the draw" against Stainless. Not all or many, just a few or a couple that is. This CAN be understandable. However, we should all keep in mind this is a public forum. Anything put in text here can be read by the media or anyone else. [Sarcasm]Since we all know the media does not put a spin on things,[/Sarcasm] everyone should be as professional and polite as they would be if a TV news camera was pointed at them with their comments.

Just trying to keep us together for a common cause rather than divide us over childish behavior. Let the flaming commence......

There is a reason I hardly ever get on or post at MOC anymore. There is a person there that is nothing but trouble. A person only looking for conflict. To that person I say get married (But I think he is banned here).

Let us not let that happen here, please.

--Moderator Comment--
Thank you - This is an example of self-moderation as well as extolling others to do likewise.

stainless1911 · Aug 31, 2012

I have to respond.

I'll admit to some trolling from time to time. Not always though. I may not always be politically correct, mainstream or whatever, but I am American, I am pro gun, my heart is in the right place.

I do like to push the limits, I like to make people think. I poke the bear, I will "go there". I do exaggerate the point sometimes to get a conversation going, I say what others won't, can't or don't. I'll play devils advocate too. I try to flip the coin, and I don't mind rocking the boat. I put my money where my mouth is. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned. I do these things for the benefit of all, LEO and media included, not to be a troll. I do try, for the most part, to do these things within the forum rules.

Sometimes, I sit at the keyboard and just laugh. The responses sometimes... Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

As far as personal attacks go, I seldom just attack anyone. I will, however, unless specifically requested, stand my ground. When people (not just Pat) accuse me falsely, or make a small thing like a civil infraction look like I shot the pope, I have to answer to that.

That said, most this is getting old for me as well. I have a thick skin, but some things said do hurt, not just hurt the movement. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned.

dougwg · Aug 31, 2012

stainless1911 said:
I'll admit to some trolling from time to time. Not always though. I may not always be politically correct, mainstream or whatever, but I am American, I am pro gun, my heart is in the right place.

I do like to push the limits, I like to make people think. I poke the bear, I will "go there". I do exaggerate the point sometimes to get a conversation going, I say what others won't, can't or don't. I'll play devils advocate too. I try to flip the coin, and I don't mind rocking the boat. I put my money where my mouth is. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned. I do these things for the benefit of all, LEO and media included, not to be a troll. I do try, for the most part, to do these things within the forum rules.

Sometimes, I sit at the keyboard and just laugh. The responses sometimes... Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

As far as personal attacks go, I seldom just attack anyone. I will, however, unless specifically requested, stand my ground. When people (not just Pat) accuse me falsely, or make a small thing like a civil infraction look like I shot the pope, I have to answer to that.

That said, most this is getting old for me as well. I have a thick skin, but some things said do hurt, not just hurt the movement. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned.

Quoted for future reference.

Admitting troll is a troll....

This is not your play ground Neil. You need a hobby? Go get one. We have goals here on OCDO and MOC, which it would seem you couldn't care less for.

Grow up Neil and stop doing stupid crap.....PLEASE!

stainless1911 · Aug 31, 2012

Couldn't resist it could you doug.

I do care, but it seems you have missed the point again.

mastiff69 · Aug 31, 2012

LINE OUT,
HOOK BAITED,
TROLLING,
OH OH GOT A BITE,
GOT MORE THAN ONE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!
hey bubba get the net,
dam another SUCKER THROW IT BACK HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a great day guys & gals
Mr. & Mrs. Mastiff

thebigsd · Aug 31, 2012

Seriously, what is the point of this thread? Your other one got locked for a reason, leave it alone. Take this stuff to PMs.

Shadow Bear · Aug 31, 2012

A new world record

stainless1911 said:
I'll admit to some trolling from time to time. Not always though. I may not always be politically correct, mainstream or whatever, but I am American, I am pro gun, my heart is in the right place.

I do like to push the limits, I like to make people think. I poke the bear, I will "go there". I do exaggerate the point sometimes to get a conversation going, I say what others won't, can't or don't. I'll play devils advocate too. I try to flip the coin, and I don't mind rocking the boat. I put my money where my mouth is. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned. I do these things for the benefit of all, LEO and media included, not to be a troll. I do try, for the most part, to do these things within the forum rules.

Sometimes, I sit at the keyboard and just laugh. The responses sometimes... Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

As far as personal attacks go, I seldom just attack anyone. I will, however, unless specifically requested, stand my ground. When people (not just Pat) accuse me falsely, or make a small thing like a civil infraction look like I shot the pope, I have to answer to that.

That said, most this is getting old for me as well. I have a thick skin, but some things said do hurt, not just hurt the movement. I have done a lot for gun rights, specifically where OC is concerned.

A new world record for the number of cliches in one post!:monkey

ken243 · Aug 31, 2012

thebigsd said:
Seriously, what is the point of this thread? Your other one got locked for a reason, leave it alone. Take this stuff to PMs.

The point was to address all involved in hopes of salvaging future threads.

kubel · Aug 31, 2012

... children with guns....

It never ceases to amaze me the way people choose to conduct themselves. Open carry your guns, not your immaturity.

It was suggested by a wise member here that issues should be taken to private message. Another suggested that visitors that see certain posts may take his posts as an example to follow, and so responses condemning such activity must be public. But what of the poor example so many people were making in that thread? The thread was not locked because someone suggested covering the anti gun rule with duct tape. It was locked because it got out of control with posts made in poor taste responding. If you think someone is a troll, don't feed them.

If someone from outside the open carry movement chose to view that thread, what would they think of us? Children with guns.

This immaturity in being able to deal with people is why I have no interest in getting actively involved with open carry events or even renew my MOC membership for that matter. Too many children. It's shameful.

Anyway, I wanted to report for anyone who cares that the township of Ypsilanti has not yet responded to my email. I couldn't because the thread was locked.

TheQ · Aug 31, 2012

I reported this thread this morning at 7:35 AM. I can't believe it's still around. I see nothing good coming from it.

Glock9mmOldStyle · Aug 31, 2012

ken243 said:
As I wrote the following the thread was locked. Admin's please allow this thread to stay up. I believe/hope it will correct the problems on the "Something wrong with this sign" thread.

Can we get back on track here or will the admin's please lock this thread?

Stainless, I am with you 100% on your dealings with Waterford schools. That said your conduct beyond that I will not form an opinion because I do not have anything other than here-say to go by. But your conduct on this forum is tasteless when it comes to recent posts. Enough is a enough. I will gladly stand beside you defending our rights in Michigan. But your continued trolling is unacceptable. You tarnish your reputation and credibility when you make some of the comments you have made. With that said, I also believe others have been judgmental and over-bearing with some of your posts. Stainless, please just stop trolling or replying with questionable content. You have vast knowledge on 2A rights, use it. Please contribute to this cause and our rights with intellectual, useful and mature comments on this forum. There is no place for sarcasm when tone modulation or facial expressions can not be used (unless said sarcasm is noted, i.e. /sarcasm). PLEASE do not respond to this post. If you would like to have a discussion about this PM me.

Others, (you know who you are) I had a great time at the only OC event I have attended in Birmingham. I met many people I would gladly stand beside and be arrested with should similar illegal conduct continue with any police officer like it did with Sean. But, some of you have been "quick on the draw" against Stainless. Not all or many, just a few or a couple that is. This CAN be understandable. However, we should all keep in mind this is a public forum. Anything put in text here can be read by the media or anyone else. [Sarcasm]Since we all know the media does not put a spin on things,[/Sarcasm] everyone should be as professional and polite as they would be if a TV news camera was pointed at them with their comments.

Just trying to keep us together for a common cause rather than divide us over childish behavior. Let the flaming commence......

There is a reason I hardly ever get on or post at MOC anymore. There is a person there that is nothing but trouble. A person only looking for conflict. To that person I say get married (But I think he is banned here). Let us not let that happen here, please.

Ken243 - thanks for posting this. Many here will "get it" while sadly others will not. By constantly fighting in the open we just help people who want to squash our right to bear arms and remain a free people.

To those who love to rip into him - you only fuel his postings. If he posted a loony thread and no one replied, ever, I think you would see his posts change or he would stop posting here. Much more the result you want, correct?

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

detroit_fan · Aug 31, 2012

nevermind, not worth it anymore

Glock9mmOldStyle · Aug 31, 2012

Edited - no need for original text.

Dear DF -

Thanks you "get it" clearly.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

TheQ · Aug 31, 2012

Glock9mmOldStyle said:
Dear DF -

How about you delete your quote. He deleted his post. Keeping the quote around serves no constructive purpose.

detroit_fan · Aug 31, 2012

Glock9mmOldStyle said:
Dear DF -

Please try to understand the purpose of this thread. By posting as you have you are promoting the behavior this thread was written to discourage. If you really need to get it off your chest, send him a PM.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

you must have quoted me really fast because i did delete it within 2 minutes of writing it.

i'm just tired of people being turned off of this board because of 1 person, and now that the 1 person has openly admitted he is trolling something needs to be done about it. when you combine his admission of trolling with his suggestions that others break laws that he doesn't agree with it is just a huge black eye for us imo. i actually know a couple of people that have refused to even come back to this great site all because of stainless. how far is this going to be allowed to go? how many good people are we losing because they don't want to deal with his trolling?

i never "bash" stainless, but after openly admitting to trolling & suggesting other break the law i don't see how i can ever defend him again.

Glock9mmOldStyle · Aug 31, 2012

I will return the favor and delete my post. Thanks DF.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

detroit_fan · Aug 31, 2012

Glock9mmOldStyle said:
I will return the favor and delete my post. Thanks DF.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

sent you a pm

Glock9mmOldStyle · Aug 31, 2012

Thanks received and returned in kind.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

ken243 · Aug 31, 2012

TheQ said:
I reported this thread this morning at 7:35 AM. I can't believe it's still around. I see nothing good coming from it.

Q,
I think some good has already come of it. Maybe a first step has been reached with admitting there has been trolling. Perhaps everyone involved can forgive and get a fresh start?

TheQ · Aug 31, 2012

ken243 said:
Q,
I think some good has already come of it. Maybe a first step has been reached with admitting there has been trolling. Perhaps everyone involved can forgive and get a fresh start?

Don't skip steps! You can't skip steps!

Can we all now come to believe that a Power greater than ourselves can restore us to our sanity? Everyone...?

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