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    hello i live in Arizona and kinda new to open carry..i am 19 gonna turn 20 on October 1st..anyways i just learned i can open carry with out being 21.i just have one main question can i carry my gun with a loaded magazine but just not one in the chamber?

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    open carry arizona

    That's like carrying a paper weight with a fancy grip. Basically anywhere you can OC legally you can carry chambered with the exception of CA(and even that is almost completely gone). Since your new please watch the video below, always carry a recorder for police encounters, and enjoy AZs constitutional carry you lucky SOB!

    Heres the vid:
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    Nathan,

    You don't need to carry a round in the chamber. Lots of carriers (CC or OC, and lots older than you) don't and for several reasons. You just adjust your TACTICS accordingly. It's no big deal.

    Even those people in states (??) that are only allowed the carry of an UNloaded handgun (no round in chamber, no magazine in gun but it's in your pocket) are okay, too. Again, you adjust your tactics accordingly to overcome any "shortcoming" -- either real or perceived.

    No matter how they carry then, ALL the people above are "armed and dangerous" to criminals...so don't fret on that point. The MAIN rule to observe is to have a gun ON you at ALL times. Exactly HOW one prefers to carry -- loaded or not, Condition 1, 2 or 3 -- is either a personal choice or a matter of state law. People regularly overlook the fact that having a gun is only HALF the self-defense equation, the OTHER half is Tactics.

    Whatever, you're not AT ALL carrying any "paper-weight" with no round in the chamber -- whether (if) the State makes you or YOU want to.
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    This is Arizona... keep that in mind. If you open carry (or carry at all)... it's advisable to have one in the pipe and locked. If it's a Glock... be careful. Here's your tactic... 'Shoot first and get shot less.'

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    Get a proper holster. Get training so you are comfortable carrying a sidearm as it is designed, loaded.

    Enjoy AZ's relative freedom. I live there half the time as a landowner in Mohave County.

    Since someone mentioned CA as an exception to loaded carry (which I won't pretend to know their convoluted and constantly changing laws on the matter), also be aware that until you have a permit, you also may not have a round in the chamber in UT, another bordering state to you, unless you are in your vehicle or on private property. But you may also openly carry there (without hassles, unlike CA).
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    [QUOTE=cloudcroft;1820420]Nathan,

    You don't need to carry a round in the chamber. Lots of carriers (CC or OC, and lots older than you) don't and for several reasons. You just adjust your TACTICS accordingly. It's no big deal.

    Even those people in states (??) that are only allowed the carry of an UNloaded handgun (no round in chamber, no magazine in gun but it's in your pocket) are okay, too. Again, you adjust your tactics accordingly to overcome any "shortcoming" -- either real or perceived.

    No matter how they carry then, ALL the people above are "armed and dangerous" to criminals...so don't fret on that point. The MAIN rule to observe is to have a gun ON you at ALL times. Exactly HOW one prefers to carry -- loaded or not, Condition 1, 2 or 3 -- is either a personal choice or a matter of state law. People regularly overlook the fact that having a gun is only HALF the self-defense equation, the OTHER half is Tactics.

    Whatever, you're not AT ALL carrying any "paper-weight" with no round in the chamber -- whether (if) the State makes you or YOU want to.[/QU thanks for the answer but i was just wondering if i could have my gun loaded but NOT one in the chamber.its not that im scared to have one in the chamber i just choose to not.id rather have no accidents i like having that last little step of racking one in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    This is Arizona... keep that in mind. If you open carry (or carry at all)... it's advisable to have one in the pipe and locked. If it's a Glock... be careful. Here's your tactic... 'Shoot first and get shot less.'
    i carry a yugo m57 762x25 i like it i took all the bluing off and polished that baby up looks good!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan928 View Post
    i carry a yugo m57 762x25 i like it i took all the bluing off and polished that baby up looks good!!
    Have never known anyone to do that. Bluing serves as a protective barrier against the elements.






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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan928 View Post
    hello i live in Arizona and kinda new to open carry..i am 19 gonna turn 20 on October 1st..anyways i just learned i can open carry with out being 21.i just have one main question can i carry my gun with a loaded magazine but just not one in the chamber?
    Adding to all the other comments.

    Under Arizona law, your gun is a "weapon" whether it's operational, loaded or unloaded, and being under 21 does not mean you have to carry it in Condition Three (empty chamber with full magazine in gun) or Condition Four (aka Embassy Carry - empty chamber and empty gun).

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcdlfred View Post
    Adding to all the other comments.

    ................or Condition Four (aka Embassy Carry - empty chamber and empty gun).

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    While being refused armed Military reinforcements. (Don't forget that, too)

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    Nathan928,

    I applaud your enthusiasm, however, this may sound brutal, which is not my intention. Facts are facts, regardless of one’s age.

    IN ARIZONA:

    1. You CANNOT purchase a firearm from an FFL. A private purchase or gift is another matter.
    2. You can OPENLY carry ONLY.
    3. Constitutional Carry, and/or AZ permit(s) are open to you once you reach 21 or older.
    4. Open carry in a vehicle is a very grey gray area (especially with LEO’s). Care must be taken when in a vehicle with ANYONE else who is under 21 as a passenger in the same vehicle.

    Lastly, I could go on for several pages so may I make a suggestion?

    Although you are still too young to obtain an AZ permit, in my opinion, you would be WELL SERVED to take a CC course, even tho you won’t be able to obtain a permit. The insight you will get will serve you well.

    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    Nathan928,

    I applaud your enthusiasm, however, this may sound brutal, which is not my intention. Facts are facts, regardless of one’s age.

    IN ARIZONA:

    1. You CANNOT purchase a firearm from an FFL. ...
    We are assuming you mean a handgun, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    We are assuming you mean a handgun, right?
    Yes.....AND......No. The Feds have a say so in this.

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    Last edited by Varmiter; 11-05-2012 at 11:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    Yes.....AND......No. The Feds have a say so in this.
    Okay, I'm confused. It is the Federal FFL regulations that prohibit their sales to under 21 for handguns. Under what circumstances can he (being 19) not buy a long gun in Arizona?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Okay, I'm confused. It is the Federal FFL regulations that prohibit their sales to under 21 for handguns. Under what circumstances can he (being 19) not buy a long gun in Arizona?
    I've seen this sort of question so many times. .............. SO

    Research both Fed and AZ laws. If I gave you the answer, it would be quickly forgotten. If you find the answer yourself, then you will remember the research you needed to do to find the answer.

    If I can research a law, so can everyone else.

    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Okay, I'm confused. It is the Federal FFL regulations that prohibit their sales to under 21 for handguns. Under what circumstances can he (being 19) not buy a long gun in Arizona?
    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    I've seen this sort of question so many times. .............. SO

    Research both Fed and AZ laws. If I gave you the answer, it would be quickly forgotten. If you find the answer yourself, then you will remember the research you needed to do to find the answer.

    If I can research a law, so can everyone else.

    Chris
    That is not the way OCDO functions Chris. The person making the claim is the one directed to provide the source/cite.

    5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    I've seen this sort of question so many times. .............. SO

    Research both Fed and AZ laws. If I gave you the answer, it would be quickly forgotten. If you find the answer yourself, then you will remember the research you needed to do to find the answer.

    If I can research a law, so can everyone else...
    Maybe you forgot where you are. We have a rule here. You are the one obligated to cite to authority, especially when it seems you know something the rest of us do not.

    With a "Yes and no" BS answer, you implied it was Federal law that restricted the 19-year old from long gun buying from a dealer, and told said 19-year old he could not buy firearms in AZ and won't even confirm that that is what you really meant.

    I'm not a lazy learner. I will admit I am not an expert in AZ firearms law, as I am with NV and UT, though I am an AZ property owner and promise you I will not forget something that you "teach" me.
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    Ok Guys,

    I get the picture.

    If that is the name of the game, and you are either unable, or unwilling to do your own research, so be it.

    I’m happy with what I know of the law. The question is.....are you?

    A challenge. Feel free to prove me wrong. ......Oops, that would require someone to do their own research.

    Chris


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    Ok Guys,

    I get the picture.

    If that is the name of the game, and you are either unable, or unwilling to do your own research, so be it.

    I’m happy with what I know of the law. The question is.....are you?

    A challenge. Feel free to prove me wrong. ......Oops, that would require someone to do their own research.

    Chris


    Chris.
    If this is your attitude, you need to remove your posts where you touted your unverified "knowledge," telling others to act on it. You accepted these rules when you joined, and you should let your "Yes" mean yes. That's in the Bible, somewhere, but go find it yourself (and yes, that's easy to find, but that's not the point).

    BTW, simple Googling is bringing up LOTS of results that an 18-year old can buy a rifle in AZ, just like most (if not all) states. I'm thinking your hubris is preventing you from a mild retraction. This is what caused WW1, you know (take my word for it; or read a history book, I don't care which...).
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    Ok.....I don't mind additional research. I will not remove any previous post.

    The challenge still stands.

    Chris
    Last edited by Varmiter; 11-06-2012 at 01:27 AM.

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    Challenge unaccepted. I am simply advising the OP to ignore you because you are wrong. He can buy long guns in AZ and I already know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Challenge unaccepted. I am simply advising the OP to ignore you because you are wrong. He can buy long guns in AZ and I already know this.
    Fair enough.

    But, as I have been challenged, you should be good enough to quote the law from which you base your opinion.

    Actually, you are correct. but since the OP, who seems to have disappeared, will learn nothing, nor will anyone else here who hasn't looked up the law.

    My whole point here is we each need to look up / learn, both Fed and States laws. Anything less is asking for trouble.

    Debating what the law ACTUALLY says is a subject I will willing debate. But if you, or anyone, is going to carry/purchase/own/possess/ a firearm, not only does he/she owe it to themselves, but also to their family, to have a working knowledge of the relevant law.

    The so called forum rules:

    In my own defense, the citation(s) have been stated numerous times both here and elsewhere, so before a Mod jumps in, he himself should do a bit of research.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmiter View Post
    The so called forum rules:

    In my own defense, the citation(s) have been stated numerous times both here and elsewhere, so before a Mod jumps in, he himself should do a bit of research.

    Chris
    Chris,

    One of the goals of the forum is to be a resource for those new to open carry and to firearms law. To make a statement that seems to run contrary to known state and federal law and then to cryptically state that those who disagree with you would know better if they 'did their own research' is more than just flaunting the rules ... it is a real 'dick move.'

    For the OP, the federal law governing long gun purchases is codified at

    18 U.S.C. 922(b)(1) and 27 CFR 478.99(b)

    (b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—

    (1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;

    Therefore, in the absence of any state law to the contrary, you may purchase long guns at 18 and handguns at 21.


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    Welcome to the forum.

    In addition to what John posted, here's what I tell my out of state visitors when they ask about AZ gun laws.

    First; I am NOT a lawyer, check the facts and laws yourself, so you are sure you understand them! (Link to ARS below)

    It is completely legal to carry with a full magazine and with a round in the chamber, that's how I do it.

    In addition:

    If you are:
    Over 18: No permit is required to carry loaded or unloaded, openly.
    Over 21: No permit is required to carry loaded or unloaded, openly or discretely.
    You can carry whichever way you prefer and that is legal for your age range.

    There are some exceptions;

    You can't carry openly into any place that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises.
    You can't carry discretely into any place that serves alcohol for consumption on the premises without a concealed carry permit. Your firearm must remain concealed, and, you can NOT consume alcohol!
    You can't carry discretely into any place that serves alcohol for consumption on the premises if they have signs posted prohibiting firearms. (They don't get my money...)

    Private businesses can ask you to leave, if you don't you can be charged with trespassing. (None of my money there either!)

    No carrying into Federal government buildings or onto school grounds. The 1000' GFSZ law isn't enforced in AZ.
    Be careful around reservation land, they have their own rules and it can get dicey.

    Of course, drinking and carrying is a bad combination, don't!

    When in a vehicle, you may carry discretely if you are over 21. If stopped by a LEO, you might be asked if you have a firearm, if you are asked, you must tell them. They might take the firearm for the duration of the stop.

    You can purchase long guns and ammunition for them at 18 and handguns and their ammunition at 21. No limit on the number of rounds you can purchase.

    AzcdlFred posted this:
    I highly recommend you print and read this document: Arizona Gun Owners Guide
    It's the best resource you can find for Arizona's gun laws and what they mean.
    It's not free, but well worth the small price.

    You can keep up to date and help make things better for gun owners by visiting and joining Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL).

    It's always best to go directly to the source of the law to find out where you stand!
    The law as written: Arizona Revised Statutes - 13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

    That covers most of the firearms law where it pertains to personal carry, as I understand it. INAL!
    If I've missed or misunderstood anything, please let me know and I'll update my info.

    -MH
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