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    My purchases at Costco pales in comparison to the thousands of other shoppers it welcomes every day. You're not going to put a dent in that. Granted, Costco is not very vocal about their policies on firearms. Which would not make firearms owners get up in arms(no pun intended).
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    Did anyone note the "Do Not Post" note on the internal memo?

    Their no guns policy is not stated in the published membership agreement, the stores are not posted, and they don't want the memo posted. Seems to be a policy held very secret unless someone sees a gun.

    Apparently they don't want to run off any other customers that even though they aren't carrying, support the right to carry.

    Sure glad my world doesn't revolve around Costco.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    So if someone parks in the Costco parking lot, obeys the membership rule and leaves the gun in the car, and gets mugged between the car and the door, is Costco liable?

    If the only reason you are unable to defend yourself is a membership rule, it stands to reason that at least some liability would attach to the club.
    This is why we should have a GFZ liability law, to make that explicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    But why support an entity that does not support you when there is alternative competition that does? That is, Sam's Club. Same jumbo-sized crap, competitive prices, and owned by Wally World so they defer to state law on such matters.

    Malls are one thing (no real alternative), but with warehouse stores ​you do have a choice.
    I live in Olympia, there is no Sam's club near me to act as a viable alternative to Costco. If/when there is one, then most likely I will entertain a change of membership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Did anyone note the "Do Not Post" note on the internal memo?

    Their no guns policy is not stated in the published membership agreement, the stores are not posted, and they don't want the memo posted. Seems to be a policy held very secret unless someone sees a gun.

    Apparently they don't want to run off any other customers that even though they aren't carrying, support the right to carry.

    Sure glad my world doesn't revolve around Costco.
    Maybe print some out and pass them around to all the parked cars in a Costco parking lot one day?

    With a little note that says, "We should support Costco's secret anti-gun stance, courtesy of Cease Fire Washington"
    Something like that.
    Last edited by Freedom1Man; 09-06-2012 at 11:04 AM. Reason: quick fix
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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    I live in Olympia, there is no Sam's club near me to act as a viable alternative to Costco. If/when there is one, then most likely I will entertain a change of membership.
    The only Sams club in the Tacoma/Seattle/Olympia area is in Auburn near the Super Mall. from my house it's a 30 mile drive. Costco is just 4.7 miles. I know they are anti-gun but this is where concealed means concealed.
    I have spent enough time in my costco that some of the managers know me on sight now, usually when I get to the check out counter my jacket or cover up comes off. the first few times that happened I had 2 flat carts full ($1200+ of goods). I told them if I went to my car to put my firearm away I was not coming back. They let me finish my transaction and leave with no one hovering over me till I was done.
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    COSTCO no firearm policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    The only Sams club in the Tacoma/Seattle/Olympia area is in Auburn near the Super Mall. from my house it's a 30 mile drive. Costco is just 4.7 miles. I know they are anti-gun but this is where concealed means concealed.
    I have spent enough time in my costco that some of the managers know me on sight now, usually when I get to the check out counter my jacket or cover up comes off. the first few times that happened I had 2 flat carts full ($1200+ of goods). I told them if I went to my car to put my firearm away I was not coming back. They let me finish my transaction and leave with no one hovering over me till I was done.
    +1 sam's is 50 or more miles from my house. It's just ridiculous to think I would drive that far to save what I'd be spending in gas to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    This is so beat to death.
    Yup. When are we going to learn that private property means just that??? I don't generally shop at COSTCO for just that reason because I don't feel that I need to cover up and because I don't need a 10pk of 2 quart mayo. Come on people!

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    Re: COSTCO no firearm policy.

    It is frustrating but it is private property they do have a legal right to deny firearms into their business. I can't remember where but I did read no firearms when I was joining think of it more like you are buying into a special club and you have to follow the club rules. I know what the rules are and still choose to break them. Personally I just CC when I go to Costco, I'm in and out as quick as possible it makes a minimal impact on me to cover up for 20 minutes
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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    It is frustrating but it is private property they do have a legal right to deny firearms into their business. I can't remember where but I did read no firearms when I was joining think of it more like you are buying into a special club and you have to follow the club rules. I know what the rules are and still choose to break them. Personally I just CC when I go to Costco, I'm in and out as quick as possible it makes a minimal impact on me to cover up for 20 minutes

    That's a personal choice you have to make. I'd rather not keep my rights under wraps so-to-speak. But here is a question: So you know that it is policy that there are no firearms and you still decide to carry and have to draw down or something happens are you liable? I know, I know...better to be tried by twelve than carried by six....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    That's a personal choice you have to make. I'd rather not keep my rights under wraps so-to-speak. But here is a question: So you know that it is policy that there are no firearms and you still decide to carry and have to draw down or something happens are you liable? I know, I know...better to be tried by twelve than carried by six....
    I do not have a straight forward answer for your question on liability if you carry into a business knowing the object to it?

    I do feel one would not face criminal charges as there are no prohibitions on a person carrying on private property or in a business.

    Signage in Washington State only applies to restricted areas by law RCW 9.41.300

    When it comes to a civil suit???
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    please do not support a anti gun business. Wal-mart will match any price they will give you

    one of the guys i know in VA ran into this problem. he was told not to carry in a costco. so he said OK he wanted a complete refund, and made them refund everything he had bought there including his membership fee. he said he had just bought a entertainment system and a very expensive computer, among other things. he then took his money and bought everything at SAM's club
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I do not have a straight forward answer for your question on liability if you carry into a business knowing the object to it?

    I do feel one would not face criminal charges as there are no prohibitions on a person carrying on private property or in a business.

    Signage in Washington State only applies to restricted areas by law RCW 9.41.300

    When it comes to a civil suit???

    Good point, BD. It probably would be a civil suit route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I do not have a straight forward answer for your question on liability if you carry into a business knowing the object to it?

    I do feel one would not face criminal charges as there are no prohibitions on a person carrying on private property or in a business.

    Signage in Washington State only applies to restricted areas by law RCW 9.41.300

    When it comes to a civil suit???
    The worst that could happen is that they will "trespass" you. Only "liability" that would arise then is if you refuse to leave and/or raise a ruckus. At that point state laws re: trespass (remaining where you now have no legal right to be), and disorderly conduct arising from any confrontation, would kick in.

    For there to be any financial liability the plaintiff would have to show "damages" in order to prevail. Wouldn't be worth it to them when all they need to do is follow the trespass laws and bar the person from the premises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hardin View Post
    This is why we should have a GFZ liability law, to make that explicit.
    For private property no we need to stop trampling the rights of property owners.

    GFZ's created by the state sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    For private property no we need to stop trampling the rights of property owners.
    Guns are also private property.

    It doesn't matter who creates the GFZ, if it impairs the ability to engage in self-defense then whoever made the rule should be liable in the event that self-defense is needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    With a little note that says, "We should support Costco's secret anti-gun stance, courtesy of Cease Fire Washington"
    VERY bad idea. Fraudulently posting a message "from" a rival political group is likely to result in legal consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacklamb View Post

    I was in the Gig Harbor Costco and had an employee ask me to "hide" my weapon for now and not bring it again as it was in violation of their no gun policy,
    Take care
    So the employee is also at fault for not enforcing their policies!
    "Hiding" said gun, is still a gun on the property!
    Carry on! Pun intended!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Guns are also private property.

    It doesn't matter who creates the GFZ, if it impairs the ability to engage in self-defense then whoever made the rule should be liable in the event that self-defense is needed.
    So what if guns are private property? You shouldn't be able to sue because they are banned from someones private property. You have the choice of not being on that property. IF you feel that you were harmed because of private property owners rules/actions, take them to court civilly.

    I don't think men's clubs should be forced to admit women and vice versa, that stores should be forced to install handicap spaces, etc.....the ever encroaching socialist/statist government. Involving themselves in private affairs.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    So what if guns are private property? You shouldn't be able to sue because they are banned from someones private property. You have the choice of not being on that property. IF you feel that you were harmed because of private property owners rules/actions, take them to court civilly.

    I don't think men's clubs should be forced to admit women and vice versa, that stores should be forced to install handicap spaces, etc.....the ever encroaching socialist/statist government. Involving themselves in private affairs.
    +1, government forcing property owners to do anything effects us all.

    When asked to leave, I do as they wish without question. I would like the same respect for my own property if rolls were reversed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    VERY bad idea. Fraudulently posting a message "from" a rival political group is likely to result in legal consequences.
    Okay so we leave that part about being from the rival group off of there.

    We can still "thank" Costco for it's non-outspoken anti-gun policy. Heck it might be fun to forward this to CeaseThinking and see if I can get them to publish it on their site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCKilla View Post
    +1, government forcing property owners to do anything effects us all.

    When asked to leave, I do as they wish without question. I would like the same respect for my own property if rolls were reversed.
    Corporations should not have private property rights. Citizens (flesh and blood people) should have private property rights.

    Now DC, since you agree that we, the people (flesh and blood), should have private property rights, then why force us to build our house to code? I can see requiring those who are licensed builders/repairmen to build/repair to 'code' but a private homeowner? Those who build houses to tell should have codes to build to. What about zoning laws then too? So long as I am not letting my cows/hogs/goats/pigs/sheep/dogs run through your yard would you have a problem with me raising them next door to you?

    If you tell me that we need zoning laws then........

    Back OT though. A corporation should have limited ability to restrict anything. It should be limited to what the law clearly spells out. A corporation is not alive, it has no feelings, it is not self aware, so it should have no rights.

    About Costco though if it's not clearly published in the membership booklet then it should never be able to be enforced. That membership agreement is a de-facto contract, you agree to the terms listed and you can shop there. If the anti-gun thing is not spelled out then it cannot be enforced. Costco should be sued for fraud based on that alone. If the membership agreement book says you will not wear tank tops and you sign it then that is part of the deal. I have looked though those membership booklets and never found anything about guns/weapons. Even the workers give conflicting statements.
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    Just a little food for thought. Here in Las Vegas, NV. IIRC you don't need a membership to go into a local Costco if you are buying booze. Something in the laws about you can't have a "private" liquor store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Starks View Post
    The only Sams club in the Tacoma/Seattle/Olympia area is in Auburn near the Super Mall.
    There are three the Seattle area.

    One in Auburn, one in Renton and one in Seattle itself (on Aurora Avenue).

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    Re: COSTCO no firearm policy.

    I've never had an issue at the Tukwila store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Corporations should not have private property rights. Citizens (flesh and blood people) should have private property rights.

    Now DC, since you agree that we, the people (flesh and blood), should have private property rights, then why force us to build our house to code? I can see requiring those who are licensed builders/repairmen to build/repair to 'code' but a private homeowner? Those who build houses to tell should have codes to build to. What about zoning laws then too? So long as I am not letting my cows/hogs/goats/pigs/sheep/dogs run through your yard would you have a problem with me raising them next door to you?

    If you tell me that we need zoning laws then........

    Back OT though. A corporation should have limited ability to restrict anything. It should be limited to what the law clearly spells out. A corporation is not alive, it has no feelings, it is not self aware, so it should have no rights.

    About Costco though if it's not clearly published in the membership booklet then it should never be able to be enforced. That membership agreement is a de-facto contract, you agree to the terms listed and you can shop there. If the anti-gun thing is not spelled out then it cannot be enforced. Costco should be sued for fraud based on that alone. If the membership agreement book says you will not wear tank tops and you sign it then that is part of the deal. I have looked though those membership booklets and never found anything about guns/weapons. Even the workers give conflicting statements.
    "Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", I guess property wasn't that important.

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