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COSTCO no firearm policy.

Trigger Dr

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We should talk about WAC again... it's been a couple months.

I would rather talk about that other gun forum... you know the one where you can be yourself and pretty much say what you want without everyone getting their panties in a wad. Which one is that?:question::question::question::question:
WAGUNS:banana::banana::banana::banana:
 

38or45

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Yeah... hubs and I have both open carried in Tacoma, Woodinville, Everett and Shoreline locations and never had a problem. I've actually had more problems at the Alderwood Fred Meyer than any Costco (customers, not employees thankfully). We are at the Woodinville one most often though. Most we've gotten is an employee commenting and admiring hubs Raging Judge.
 

massivedesign

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I would rather talk about that other gun forum... you know the one where you can be yourself and pretty much say what you want without everyone getting their panties in a wad. Which one is that?:question::question::question::question:
WAGUNS:banana::banana::banana::banana:


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birdus

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The day we fight and win, by law, to carry in Costco and malls, is the day we all lose our own rights to set rules on our own private property.

Nailed it. It's ridiculous to say they are taking away your rights. We should FIGHT for private businesses to do what they want on their property. When the government tells people how they must act on their own property, THEN we are losing our rights!
 

marshaul

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Everybody says vote with your wallet, well, my wallet is usually more powerful than my convictions... Costco provides me a source for discounted product, so I carry concealed.

Have you done the math to confirm this?

I have it on reputable authority that the overwhelming majority of wholesale club members do NOT spend enough to "save" an amount equal to the membership fees.

IMO, you're lazy and your convictions are weak.
 

marshaul

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So if someone who has your favored policy has a mass shooting conducted on his property then no liability,

but if a mass shooting is conducted and they banned guns, completely liable?

That throws the tort law as we know it on its head.

I'm not speaking to what others have posted, but...

Tortious liability can be established if the establishment recognized a danger, prevented their customers from reacting to it, and failed to take steps to mitigate the danger, and that danger then brings about injury.

It's clear to me that there will be tortious liability in the event that A: a business bans firearms, B: they take inadequate steps to enforce this ban or otherwise provide additional security, and C: someone is then shot with a firearm.

Comapanies should be permitted to ban firearms to their hearts' content, but if they assume this responsibility, and people end up shot anyway, they should assume some degree of liability.

Companies remain free to take risk, or to avoid implying that they are taking responsibility for their customers' safety in the first place.
 
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tombrewster421

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Have you done the math to confirm this?

I have it on reputable authority that the overwhelming majority of wholesale club members do NOT spend enough to "save" an amount equal to the membership fees.

IMO, you're lazy and your convictions are weak.

The fact that I get money back from them each year that more than covers my membership fee sort of shows that your "authority" doesn't really know what they're talking about. We really don't spend that much there. I know plenty of people that buy more there than I do. There's only a few things that we do buy there.
 

birdus

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So what if guns are private property? You shouldn't be able to sue because they are banned from someones private property. You have the choice of not being on that property. IF you feel that you were harmed because of private property owners rules/actions, take them to court civilly.

I don't think men's clubs should be forced to admit women and vice versa, that stores should be forced to install handicap spaces, etc.....the ever encroaching socialist/statist government. Involving themselves in private affairs.

Nailed it.
 

birdus

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"Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", I guess property wasn't that important.

Natural law typically uses "private property" in lieu of "the pursuit of happiness." The two can easily be interchanged. I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson would agree that private property is paramount.
 

birdus

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this is not a dead horse as long as a business discriminates and takes away your civil rights. then it is alive and kicking.

personally i would like to see some demonstrations or protests especially on the news. maybe even a picnic handing out hotdogs and GSL stickers. explain to people the discrimination

How can a business take away my rights if I don't go there?

I'm actually not in favor of government outlawing "discrimination." I won't be attending your rally.
 

marshaul

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The fact that I get money back from them each year that more than covers my membership fee sort of shows that your "authority" doesn't really know what they're talking about. We really don't spend that much there. I know plenty of people that buy more there than I do. There's only a few things that we do buy there.

Wrong. The fact that you rely on "money back" to make your case actually underlines my point.

Reason being, one doesn't need "good authority", but rather to be a consistent observer of (or participant in) business to be aware that "money back" schemes are always dependent on the reality that most people do not "earn" more "back" than they put in.

I mean, duh.

If you're the exception to the rule, more power to you. You'll note I allowed for this possibility already.

None of this changes my argument..
 

OC for ME

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Wrong. The fact that you rely on "money back" to make your case actually underlines my point.

Reason being, one doesn't need "good authority", but rather to be a consistent observer of (or participant in) business to be aware that "money back" schemes are always dependent on the reality that most people do not "earn" more "back" than they put in.

I mean, duh.

If you're the exception to the rule, more power to you. You'll note I allowed for this possibility already.

None of this changes my argument..
Technically:
Executive Membership
Includes household membership
$110.00 Annual Membership Fee
Annual 2% Reward and More
Executive Membership is our highest level of membership. All Executive Members enjoy a 2% Reward (up to $750 per year) on most Costco purchases, as well as additional benefits and greater discounts on our suite of services.
A customer with the above membership status would need to spend $460/mo to gain their yearly ROI as a result of membership dues. Costco's website does not show a "cash back" benefit for any other of the cards listed.

The below is not a endorsement, by me, for the product listed. It is to the page that describes the "benefits" of being issued the product. The benefits are in addition to the Costco membership described above.

So, the bottom line, Costco ROI for their membership card is $460/mo. The Amex card, different situation all together.

https://www262.americanexpress.com/...ard/costco-trueearnings-credit-card/003/45183
 

tombrewster421

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Wrong. The fact that you rely on "money back" to make your case actually underlines my point.

Reason being, one doesn't need "good authority", but rather to be a consistent observer of (or participant in) business to be aware that "money back" schemes are always dependent on the reality that most people do not "earn" more "back" than they put in.

I mean, duh.

If you're the exception to the rule, more power to you. You'll note I allowed for this possibility already.

None of this changes my argument..

The fact is that I save money by shopping there vs. another retailer. What's not to get?

Saying that a person is lazy and has weak convictions is ridiculous. My convictions are to take care of my family and by ignoring their stupid rule I can not only take care of my family's safety but also help to save money to take care of them financially. It's a win win for me.
 
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marshaul

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The fact is that I save money by shopping there vs. another retailer. What's not to get?

Saying that a person is lazy and has weak convictions is ridiculous. My convictions are to take care of my family and by ignoring their stupid rule I can not only take care of my family's safety but also help to save money to take care of them financially. It's a win win for me.

Like I said, if you do, in fact, save money, more power to you. Seriously. Most people do not.

My opinions are, indeed, ridiculous to everyone who does not share them. That's generally how it goes.

That being said, my opinion is that someone who believes saving a couple bucks is a better way of taking care of their family than is fighting to ensure that their children have their fundamental liberties respected by all, has weak convictions.

You're free to disagree with my opinion, of course. Of course, I know nothing (and care less) about your financial circumstances, which is why my opinion is worth what you paid for it.

That also being said, I suspect if I hadn't at least somewhat hit my mark I wouldn't be receiving such a defensive reply from someone to whom my post was not even addressed.
 

tombrewster421

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Like I said, if you do, in fact, save money, more power to you. Seriously. Most people do not.

My opinions are, indeed, ridiculous to everyone who does not share them. That's generally how it goes.

That being said, my opinion is that someone who believes saving a couple bucks is a better way of taking care of their family than is fighting to ensure that their children have their fundamental liberties respected by all, has weak convictions.

You're free to disagree with my opinion, of course. Of course, I know nothing (and care less) about your financial circumstances, which is why my opinion is worth what you paid for it.

That also being said, I suspect if I hadn't at least somewhat hit my mark I wouldn't be receiving such a defensive reply from someone to whom my post was not even addressed.

So you're saying that if you said something that was obviously wrong and a bunch of people jumped in and pointed that out, you would then assume that you've "hit your mark"?

The fact is that I have a fundamental right to protect myself how I choose. It doesn't matter where I go, that right follows me there. Yes, they have a right as property owners to ask me to leave and I will respect that right should it come to that. What they don't know won't hurt them and it certainly won't hurt me.

Don't think that by spending my money there that I or other people are not fighting to have their rights respected there. After all, they're certainly not going to care about the rights of those that don't spend money there.

What better way is there to fight for your rights than to actually exercise them?
 

marshaul

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What better way is there to fight for your rights than to actually exercise them?

None, on that I agree.

But you won't convince me to condone shopping at Costco. Costco is an enemy of liberty. You shop at Costco, thus financially supporting them. Thus, you financially support an enemy of liberty.

This is your freedom, to do with or without justification. It is equally my freedom to reproach you for doing so, justifications notwithstanding.
 

mikeyb

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Have you done the math to confirm this?

I have it on reputable authority that the overwhelming majority of wholesale club members do NOT spend enough to "save" an amount equal to the membership fees.

Then I'm in the minority. Whee! For once.

I did notice that in the first half of March, Costco was selling gun safes and paying the sales tax.
 
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