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How do you handle "stupid people"? Anti-gun but claim they are not.

j4l

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To the OP= simple. I dont even bother. I write them off to the victims of Natural Selection category.
I've mostly given-up on the idea of trying to "educate" or "inform" folks who have made a DECISION to lack basic common-sense, on such things.
Folks who have made up their minds on such things, are'nt likely to be convinced otherwise, unless or until they find themselves on the victim end of things.
And even then, most of those are likely to point to that victimization (provided they somehow survive the incident, in the 1st place ) as a perfect example of WHY guns should be outlawed/banned/whatever. All the while neglecting to, or out-right refusing to- acknowledge the simple fact that they guy who is most-likely to attempt to end your life during a crime, is also less-than-likely to give a rat's backside about the "legality" of having the firearm he/she is using-which, itself, ends up having been stolen from someone else,anyway..

If otherwise mature, educated adults lack the ability to form informed opinions, or knowledge of a matter, or simply refuse to- that's their choice, and their decision. If they are uncomfortable around me, because I can form such knowledge, oh well, they can choose to stay away from me, if they like. But I'm no longer inclined to throw my lot in with the victims of Natural Selection, just so they feel "more comfy" with my presence.
 

RetiredOC

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So I told her they are likely the M4 combat rifles

AR-15s are now "M4 COMBAT RIFLES."

OP, you should get a job as a journalist, you might just fit right in! :lol:
 

Hef

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So, I have a family member that hates it when I OC. She claims that it makes her uncomfortable. I pointed out that there are other people around the area that OC and she told me that those people make her uncomfortable too but that's their right. I told her that if she is so uncomfortable with OC then why do you like cops so much? She responds badly to this. She tells it me that I am just putting my gun in people's faces (if I was 10' tall that might be true I carry OC on my thigh). I said no, I am not required to have a license to OC but I need a license to CC, and besides the cops are not very well trained. (This varies from cop to cop to I know but look at New York.) I also told her that is she is so afraid of guns that she should get counseling.
If I wish to visit with this family member I am told that I can only CC when I am out in public with her. I asked why is that? Because I said so.

Now this is the same member of the family who came home the other night to 6 police cars stopped 2-3 (it's hard to explain) houses over walking around with 'big guns' around 2300 hours that night and then asks me if I know what they might be. I showed her my AR15 and she said they looked like that. So I told her they are likely the M4 combat rifles. Not being sure of the original question of "Do you know what guns the cops carry?" I told her it depends on the department but many of the in this state carry Glocks the same make and model I carry on my leg.

She keeps claiming she is not anti-gun but likes new guns law and hates it when people open carry because she can see their gun.
She didn't like it when I refused to visit her one Christmas because I could not carry while visiting. She changed her mind after that because I would not visit at all if those were the conditions.

I am former military, one brother and my sister are military and she does not trust any of us with guns.

How do you handle family members/friends who are like that?

I've made it clear to my family that what, where, when, and how I carry a firearm is entirely up to me, except in their homes or as dictated by law. They do not get a vote. I gave them a choice - either accept it and keep your mouths shut, or don't invite me to your events.

That's it. Any time they say something stupid, I remind them that they don't get a vote and I don't care if they like it.
 

ATM

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AR-15s are now "M4 COMBAT RIFLES."

OP, you should get a job as a journalist, you might just fit right in! :lol:

No, AR-15 refers only to the semi-automatic versions of the rifle. The M4 a police officer would likely be carrying, with selective fire options, would be properly defined as an assault rifle.

Many in the gun-owning community are moving away from even using that proper term, "assault rifle", specifically due to the anti-gun politicians and mainstream media fabricating the term "assault weapon" to loosely define anything that looks cosmetically similar to a true assault rifle.

As "battle rifle" typically denotes a military service rifle that fires a full power rifle cartridge, "combat rifle" would seem to be a decent alternative for a service rifle firing an intermediate-sized cartridge, such as the M16/M4 variants, if one wished to avoid the negative connotations and hype now attached to the word "assault".

ETA: Personally, I'd just call it an M4.
 
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sudden valley gunner

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Cept in your scenario, a racialist is more likely to tell you in advance don't come with your mixed family.

Ummm so now you are changing the scenario, of one person who has a problem with it, to that person being the property owner, and having control of the event. If that was the case they would tell me in advance not to bring the gun either.


and it's not even near the same thing. society has done a good job in convincing people guns are bad, rightly or wrongly some people will always believe that. I have some members of my family who would probably be the exact same way as F1Man's relative. Except I don't do family feud's, if the other member is being an irrational clown, I don't need to go down to their level when the solution is so simple. no matter how trivial the matter family disputes can certainly cause the other non-involved family members to take sides and destroy the nature of other family relationships as well. if your entire family open carries and everyone is cool with that then fine. but if the minority of the family open carries and it really scares the other half of the family or certain members of the family then maintaining family bonds is more important.

Besides having problems with math in this paragraph, how is it different? At one time society did a pretty good job at frowning down upon mixed relations. The only way to get past that is by going about your life "normalizing" what other people fear. And exercising your right to be with who you love or carrying your firearm isn't going down to their level. You just admitted they are irrational, and now you are capitulating to irrationality. If my family doesn't support my right to carry they don't support me. In that case you won't see me hanging out with them much. It is clear what you make important though, and that choice is yours.


My hoplophobe family members would do whatever they could to help me out if I were in trouble. the average anti-gunner will not. so if they aren't comfortable with me carrying a gun at home when they're visiting, i'll put the model 10 away and conceal my mother's glock 19 instead. disputes with family aren't worth the trouble. of course maybe F1man's relationship with that relative isn't so solid for other reasons.

Since I don't live with my mom, if they don't like my OC they can just not come to my house. I am not going to change my behavior to make others feel better about their irrational fears in my own home. Why does keeping a relationship solid mean that you have to capitulate to the fears of the one? Sounds like that really isn't a "solid" relationship either, actually sounds fairly unhealthy.
 
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MSG Laigaie

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1. My house, my rules. If you don't like to see my firearms, don't come to my house. That goes for all family members and friends.
2. Someone else's house, their rules. If the host/hostess and everyone else is OK with me carrying, the one hoplophobe can go butt up a stump.
3. If the host/hostess asks me to disarm/cover up, I'll thank them for their hospitality, make my excuses, and leave. Thereafter, I will politely decline any further invitations..

I am well known to be armed at all times. Pretty obvious with that pistol out in the open. If I show up anywhere and I am asked to disarm, see #3. If you visit my place, you can complain, agree, or leave, see #1.
 
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