smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
rifles. (unless you previously registered it as a pistol)
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Handgun Registration Repeal question
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Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
Ok, but if the registration law is repealed, and all the records are destroyed, wouldn't all of them revert to "rifles?" And if that does happen, what's wrong with that?
TheQ
Regular Member
You can't carry them loaded in a car anymore.
griffin
Regular Member
I was wondering about that. I asked that same question a while back. If there are no registered pistols, then how will law enforcement know if you have a pre-2013 "Michigan Pistol" or not?
You are saying that Michigan Pistols will go away if registration is done away with. Makes sense.
stainless1911
Banned
Either they go away, or anyone can just say that it was registered before. The latter is never gonna fly. This is a gun control bill.
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
michigan pistols will not go away unless explicitly stated by law. if they are still grandfathered, they are still grandfathered regardless of registration
stainless1911
Banned
Yeah, but court is about what you can prove, not what really happened. If you CC a "rifle", some cops are always going to charge you, some will not. It is then up to you to prove that you were carrying legally. If you cannot, you will be convicted. Since the .gov has to destroy records, and you dont have to keep them, (most won't), then there is no proof that the gun is legal. Now, you have a problem.
Bronson
Regular Member
But they are only grandfathered IF you registered it before Jan. 1, 2013 AND have maintained registration AND have your copy of the registration with you. In order to meet the requirements for grandfathering ALL three must be in place. Once registration is repealed it will no longer be possible to maintain the registration.
28.421 amended
Bronson
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stainless1911
Banned
So (b) is impossible.
SpringerXDacp
New member
No, (b) is just simply stating that if you still own the firearm (Mi Pistol) as of December 2025, for example, that you purchased and registered before 1-1-2013, without lapse in those 13 years (2012 - 2025), you can lawfully, possess, carry, etc. If you sell the firearm in January 2026 and buy it back in February 2026, 28.421 (amended) no longer applies. Hence, a lapse.
Xanaseyr
Regular Member
It seems like there's some disagreement on whether registration can be maintained once the state destroys the registry.
Big Gay Al
Michigan Moderator
They haven't yet. Registration hasn't been repealed.......yet. If it isn't, then maintaining registration is not a problem, as long as you don't sell the firearm in question.
TheQ
Regular Member
The whole idea of a "Michigan pistol" is premised on the idea of registration, because pistols are registered.
Without registration, how can you have a "Michigan pistol"?
TheQ
Regular Member
Ultimately, this will be a question for the courts and the only way the question comes up is when someone is popped for carrying a "Michigan Pistol" concealed/in a car and gets charged with CCW (felony).
Who is volunteering to be the test case?
Who is volunteering to be the test case?
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stainless1911
Banned
detroit_fan
Regular Member
yeah, eliminating the need to ask permission to buy a handgun and register it is a "gun control bill"..../ end sarcasm.
TheQ
Regular Member
Sadly, many of these bills cut both ways. Some of us only think in terms of black and white though.
stainless1911
Banned
QFT
Usually when congress gives with one hand, they take with the other.
If you get a hug from the .gov, he is picking your pocket.
detroit_fan
Regular Member
you and i have debated this to the point where neither one of us is going to agree with the other, but at least you admit there is some good in the bill, even if you don't agree with it entirely. calling it a a "neutral" bill as you have is one thing, but calling it a gun control bill is another
stainless1911
Banned
I look at it both ways. There are tremendous advantages in repealing registration, however, it does in fact, seriously limit the law abiding citizens choices for defensive weaponry.
The only way for this to not be a gun control bill, is for it to include the elimination of laws that prevent you from carrying a rifle concealed, and those laws should extend even to the darkest shadows of DNR regulations so that they can't pull the BS that they are doing at the ranges.
You really have to watch the .gov.
The only way for this to not be a gun control bill, is for it to include the elimination of laws that prevent you from carrying a rifle concealed, and those laws should extend even to the darkest shadows of DNR regulations so that they can't pull the BS that they are doing at the ranges.
You really have to watch the .gov.
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