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    Trial Sept 17, 2012 @ 3pm City of NLV

    CNLV Case No. TR013367-12.
    From the CNLV Courthouse online docket:
    08/13/2012 TRIAL SCHEDULED Event: TRIAL Date: 09/17/2012 Time: 3:00 pm Judge: RAMSEY, CATHERINE Location: NORTH LAS VEGAS MUNICIPAL COURT DEPT. 1

    This trial is for a helmet citation I got in CNLV.

    I'm linking here the raw footage of that incident.

    I did a few wrong things, but oh well, live and learn.

    All the cops in South Nevada should be used to my legal helmets. However, I maintain that the only reason I was bullied was because I dared to open carry in the City of North Las Vegas.

    Turn down the volume at the beginning cause my motorcycle is loud.

    Thankfully my sunglasses recorded everything.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gTGSqWiF4c

    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUpRC1iIDLg

    FYI, this is a court of NON RECORD. I heard the retired Judge Vanlandschoot say during a trial at that courthouse that "The law does not matter in my court." And that is why so many unlawful acts take place in this top secret court of non-record. If you attend, expect to be stripped of all things electronic. No cell phones, cams, or any other electronic equipment allowed. Leave in your car or better yet, take advantage of the lockers they provide. Notice the demeanor of most of the Marshals, some are extremely harsh in their demeanor towards we the sheeple. If you sit in the lobby long enough, you might get to witness someone being cuffed because they were late to a hearing or for some other such nonsense in which no harm was cause by the suspect.

    I asked the judge 'who would preside over my trial?' and she said that she would (Ramsey). I then asked if I could record my trial and she told me that theirs is a court of non-record and to "ask an attorney."
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    Have your attorney record the proceedings; they usually don't search attorneys entering courtrooms.

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    It's not a court of record, so no opening argument, no cross examination, no closing argument. Just show up with your notice of appeal of final judgement, appeal bond, and fees.

    Don't waste your time arguing before a kangaroo court. Errors aren't even preserved for appeal.

    This monkey business will continue until an appellate court rules in your favor. Then you can use that as leverage against the cities to stop harassing you.

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    Wow! I've never seen anyone with Snell rated hair before! Seems like it's "argumentative" to me too.

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    Are you required to show up or can you just let them do their thing and wait for your appeal to a real court?

    Or is it better to go and tell them you're just waiting for them to finish so you can take it to a real court? I like that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Wow! I've never seen anyone with Snell rated hair before! Seems like it's "argumentative" to me too.
    No Snell approval required in NV, or most states (I can't think of one, but haven't researched it). In fact, NV doesn't require DOT approval, or any approval from anyone for "head protection." Read the definition of "hair" sometime.

    You're right. Why are laws and cops so argumentative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbogo470 View Post
    Have your attorney record the proceedings; they usually don't search attorneys entering courtrooms.

    Good luck,
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    I don't have an attorney. That would be a waste of $. Since it is a court of NON record, if found guilty, I can pay $12 to appeal and get a trial de novo and decide then, if an atty is warranted. I consider these trials as "dress rehearsals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yard Sale View Post
    It's not a court of record, so no opening argument, no cross examination, no closing argument. Just show up with your notice of appeal of final judgement, appeal bond, and fees.

    Don't waste your time arguing before a kangaroo court. Errors aren't even preserved for appeal.

    This monkey business will continue until an appellate court rules in your favor. Then you can use that as leverage against the cities to stop harassing you.
    I actually have a planned "strategy." But I agree with your analysis. Thanks, Yardsale.
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    Hmm, so the de novo trial will be held in the Eighth Judicial District Court?


    NRS 5.073  Conformity of practice and proceedings to those of justice courts; exception; imposition and collection of fees.

    1.  The practice and proceedings in the municipal court must conform, as nearly as practicable, to the practice and proceedings of justice courts in similar cases. An appeal perfected transfers the action to the district court for trial anew, unless the municipal court is designated as a court of record as provided in NRS 5.010. The municipal court must be treated and considered as a justice court whenever the proceedings thereof are called into question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carracer View Post
    Wow! I've never seen anyone with Snell rated hair before! Seems like it's "argumentative" to me too.
    That's what it looks, like, right? But there's more to the story and it has much more to do with my oc than with my helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    Are you required to show up or can you just let them do their thing and wait for your appeal to a real court?

    Or is it better to go and tell them you're just waiting for them to finish so you can take it to a real court? I like that one.
    Yes, I am REQUIRED to show up. Even showing up late will cause me to end up in cuffs.

    I have a specific strategy that I'll reveal afterwards, unless you're able to attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    No Snell approval required in NV, or most states (I can't think of one, but haven't researched it). In fact, NV doesn't require DOT approval, or any approval from anyone for "head protection." Read the definition of "hair" sometime.

    You're right. Why are laws and cops so argumentative?
    No such thing as "DOT-approved" in any state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yard Sale View Post
    Hmm, so the de novo trial will be held in the Eighth Judicial District Court?


    NRS 5.073  Conformity of practice and proceedings to those of justice courts; exception; imposition and collection of fees.

    1.  The practice and proceedings in the municipal court must conform, as nearly as practicable, to the practice and proceedings of justice courts in similar cases. An appeal perfected transfers the action to the district court for trial anew, unless the municipal court is designated as a court of record as provided in NRS 5.010. The municipal court must be treated and considered as a justice court whenever the proceedings thereof are called into question.
    Yes, it's in the 8th Judicial District Court. This will be my second appeal (if I appeal). At the first hearing where I was charged with obstruction, I was found guilty and for $12 I appealed and was found NOT GUILTY. Makes a difference if the proceedings are being recorded. I made one substantial mistake at that obstruction trial in NLV. Has to do with what I said that caused the judge to retaliate against me.

    FYI, I represented myself on appeal as well. I was treated like ****, but in the end, I was found NOT GUILTY and that's all that matters to file my civil suit for being jailed for 24 hours without probable cause in that obstruction case.
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    Re: Trial Sept 17, 2012 @ 3pm City of NLV

    Is moral support invited? I was assuming that was part of your reason for posting, but then realized you didn't say so explicitly.

    I'd like to make it if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    Is moral support invited? I was assuming that was part of your reason for posting, but then realized you didn't say so explicitly.

    I'd like to make it if I can.

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    Absolutely, moral support is always appreciated !! Thanks Merlin. Besides it will give you guys a first hand view of the shenanigans that take place in that top secret court of tyranny. No shorts or tank tops allowed in the courtroom. And you will be asked why you are there. Be prepared to get the boot if you just want to exercise your "right" to view a PUBLIC hearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    That's what it looks, like, right? But there's more to the story and it has much more to do with my oc than with my helmet.
    Huh? A wig glued to a helmet?

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    you generally can record a traffic case .. just ask the judge, he should have no objections....file a request to record .. if the judge turns you down, then plead not guilty and ask for a continuance to get a lawyer (then show w/o a lawyer next time and request again).

    Also, most helmet laws have been found unconstitutional. Unlike the goofy notion that seatbelts (courts have ruled because they aid in control of the vehicle -- helmets dont do anything in this regard) are constitutional.

    The cops was looking for illegal stuff in your purse, well beyond his authority ... you should have objected .. but you already knew that I think ..


    Also, check state law .... a ticket may be required to be replaced with an information, upon demand to the DA. If so, do it!

    The cop wasn't too bad .... IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    And you will be asked why you are there. Be prepared to get the boot if you just want to exercise your "right" to view a PUBLIC hearing.
    Srsly?

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    Why are you pleading the 5th and license and registration?

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    Trial Sept 17, 2012 @ 3pm City of NLV

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerLily View Post
    That's what it looks, like, right? But there's more to the story and it has much more to do with my oc than with my helmet.

    I really don't see that...

    I also don't see why you thought you could plead the fifth on some of the things legally required of you...

    ...or why you put up a fuss about consenting to him looking at your VIN...he doesn't need consent to look at something in plain view, same as looking at your helmet from outside the case..."I don't even consent to you looking at it?". Funny...

    ... you are welcome to your opinion of course, everyone is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    you generally can record a traffic case .. just ask the judge, he should have no objections....file a request to record .. if the judge turns you down, then plead not guilty and ask for a continuance to get a lawyer (then show w/o a lawyer next time and request again).

    Also, most helmet laws have been found unconstitutional. Unlike the goofy notion that seatbelts (courts have ruled because they aid in control of the vehicle -- helmets dont do anything in this regard) are constitutional.

    The cops was looking for illegal stuff in your purse, well beyond his authority ... you should have objected .. but you already knew that I think ..


    Also, check state law .... a ticket may be required to be replaced with an information, upon demand to the DA. If so, do it!

    The cop wasn't too bad .... IMO
    Not in North Las Vegas Municipal Court. By the order of the Judges who sit on the bench in that court, NO ELECTRONIC devices of any kind may be brought into the BUILDING... not just the courtroom... the BUILDING. TL has already once been threatened with arrest by a City Marshal for attempting to do just that.

    Pretty much over TL's dead body.

    No, most helmet laws have been upheld AS constitutional in most of the states that have them... Nevada being one. Any "fight" using those grounds is a loser.

    TL ain't lookin' to get her ticket "replaced"... she's lookin' to fight the damn thing and air her grievance and the grievances of all riders who believe being "lawed" into wearing a helmet is a violation of her/their personal freedoms. Further, that the means by which law enforcement attempts to enforce the helmet law IS unconstitutional, violating the 4th and 14th Amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    I really don't see that...

    I also don't see why you thought you could plead the fifth on some of the things legally required of you...

    ...or why you put up a fuss about consenting to him looking at your VIN...he doesn't need consent to look at something in plain view, same as looking at your helmet from outside the case..."I don't even consent to you looking at it?". Funny...

    ... you are welcome to your opinion of course, everyone is.
    One doesn't CONSENT to anything a cop "asks" you. Cops are trained to "ask" for a whole bunch of $hit, no matter if one is "required" by law to consent. But once consent is given, it puts a big smile on their face and you're screwed. Best to always affirmatively NOT consent and then exercise 5th and demand an attorney if $hit gets really intense. And the thing about the VIN on a motorcycle... I've seen a lot of motorcycles and the VIN certainly ain't in plain view. Sometimes one needs a road map to find it and then a big magnifying glass to read it.

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    I just checked my calendar. I will be attending a class at Front Sight. Not that I need it, but it was free from a fellow sponsor of the Nevada Shooters forum, so I helped fill out the class. I'm actually looking forward to a few drills. But if I was going to be in town, I would have been there. Damn. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkey View Post
    Why are you pleading the 5th and license and registration?
    Yes, that was dumb on my part. Since I have a habit of talking too much I went too far the other way, at least initially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdholmes View Post
    I really don't see that...

    I also don't see why you thought you could plead the fifth on some of the things legally required of you...

    ...or why you put up a fuss about consenting to him looking at your VIN...he doesn't need consent to look at something in plain view, same as looking at your helmet from outside the case..."I don't even consent to you looking at it?". Funny...

    ... you are welcome to your opinion of course, everyone is.
    I'll have to exercise every bit of discipline NOT to disclose my poker hand.
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