Just adding my $0.02 to the conversation...
My handgun is a Smith and Wesson M&P .40 with a 15+1 ammo capacity, fires smoothly with little recoil felt. The 165 grain winchester hollow points I have have about 1,140 feet per second at the muzzle and usually increase in size after mushrooming to 1.5x - 2x original caliber (.60-.80 for those doing the math)...
Please show me a .40 s&w that consistently expands to an average (not just at the widest point) of ~.80 and still penetrate ~12" in media such as calibrated gel or flesh? Because I must be using really crappy .40 ammo...
Please show me a .40 s&w that consistently expands to an average (not just at the widest point) of ~.80 and still penetrate ~12" in media such as calibrated gel or flesh? Because I must be using really crappy .40 ammo...
Please show me where he said anything about penetrating 12" in ballistic gel, and I'll show you where I keep my valuables.
yeah... I never said anything about 12 inches... ...
Not sure where you're getting your data from, but I don't know of any 9mm rounds as low as 320 ft-lb. AFAIK most of them run between 350 and 420, and even more for +P rounds. Take the average of both calibers, 385 and 465, and you have about an 18% difference, on average-not counting +P 9mm rounds. I don't know if I'd consider that significant, but if an 18% improvement makes you feel better, more power to you. Personally, I think that 18% is significantly overshadowed by the loss of ability to get multiple rounds on target in a reasonable amount of time, not to mention the 10% loss in ammo capacity.
For me it's, among other things, felt recoil and subsonic ammunition. I prefer the lower "bark" of .45 over the higher pitched report of rounds that near or exceed the speed of sound. Having to shoot .45 and .357 magnum at different times without hearing protection; I still wince at the thought of having to shoot a high velocity round in a self defense situation. I recovered near 'normal' hearing from .45 report relatively quick and felt disoriented due to sound shock for a significantly shorter period of time. YMMV, of course. My 1911 and revolver both shoot .45acp (the 1911 magazine is a great speed loader for the revolver too) now so everything is one caliber and I don't have to change gear on the belt, only holsters (or carry both). I'm guessing that would be harder to accomplish on a budget such as mine with a caliber like .40. When I used to reload, .45acp seemed like the easiest of the calibers that we loaded too.Why would someone choosing a new pistol choose a .45 over a .40?
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Just in case the elephants organize ....
Darn you, davidmcbeth!! Now I want one!!
Seriously, I would love to see someone open carrying that thing. The police would probably have conniptions, even where open carry is legal.