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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    damn christians, always be out killin folk



    It amazes me how many leftists try to compare a handful of abortion clinic bombings in the early 90s to 911 and then insist that Christians have "the same kind of radical terrorists" as muslims
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post



    It amazes me how many leftists try to compare a handful of abortion clinic bombings in the early 90s to 911 and then insist that Christians have "the same kind of radical terrorists" as muslims
    Oh, I don't know. Maybe because the abortion clinic bombings were Americans bombing Americans.

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    I say we withdraw all government personnel and foreign aid payouts to foreign countries, especially in the middle east, including Israel.
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    http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...ver-it/262225/

    Obviously, there's a lot to this story that's still unclear. What we do know is that some members of Egypt's sometimes-raucous, often rumor-heavy media have been playing highly offensive clips from the highly offensive film, stressing its U.S. and Coptic connections. In the clip below, controversial TV host Sheikh Khaled Abdallah (known for such statements as "Iran is more dangerous to us than the Jews" and that Tehran had engineered a deadly soccer riot in Port Said) hypes the film as an American-Coptic plot and introduces what he says is its opening scene.

    So apparently when some Egyptian muckraker plays portions of the offensive, insulting video to the Arab public, that were selected as being the most offensive parts, it is OK? He's just reporting on what The Evil Satan is doing, not publishing/broadcasting stuff that insults Mohamed, right?

    Sort of like broadcasting snuff films in order to let folks know what snuff films are, I guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It amazes me how many leftists try to compare a handful of abortion clinic bombings in the early 90s to 911 and then insist that Christians have "the same kind of radical terrorists" as muslims
    Hate to break it to you, but there were abortion clinic bombings in the last decade and many other forms of Christian terrorism as well. Hell, there was a whole mess of bombings sometime around 02-03.

    Why is Christian terrorism compared to Muslim terrorism? Oh I don't know, could it possibly be that Christians have committed terrorist acts far more often than Muslims?

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    The difference is that the majority of actual Christians condemn the violence of whack jobs claiming to be Christians whereas only the minority or muslims openly condemn the violence of radical muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but there were abortion clinic bombings in the last decade and many other forms of Christian terrorism as well. Hell, there was a whole mess of bombings sometime around 02-03.

    Why is Christian terrorism compared to Muslim terrorism? Oh I don't know, could it possibly be that Christians have committed terrorist acts far more often than Muslims?
    And your total death count from all such attacks is what?

    what is the death count of the single most deadly incident of christian terrorism you know?

    It's like animal research labs being firebombed in the same manner as abortion clinics by eco-terrorists, does that mean eco terrorism is comparable the extremist muslim attacks around the world? not even close.

    I want to state right here, I am not condemning Islam as a whole, I understand that most muslims don't go around committing terrorist acts, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore the massive amounts of death and damage cuased by extremist muslims in various terrorist bombings.

    so do a number crunch on how many deaths you can reasonably attribute to "christian terrorism" and the single most deadly incident you can find in the last century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    And your total death count from all such attacks is what?

    what is the death count of the single most deadly incident of christian terrorism you know?
    I know of two continents who had their populations wiped out by "christians".

    The Jewish Carpenter Jesus philosophies have been ignored by his followers who have spent much of the past two millenniums, killing and torturing, enslaving, and ruining people around the world.

    I guessed they missed his love thy enemy advice and turn the other cheek etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I say we withdraw all government personnel and foreign aid payouts to foreign countries, especially in the middle east, including Israel.
    If we were standing beside one another, you would get a HIGH 5 from me!--I agree, agree, agree. I have had this view for many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    I know of two continents who had their populations wiped out by "christians".

    The Jewish Carpenter Jesus philosophies have been ignored by his followers who have spent much of the past two millenniums, killing and torturing, enslaving, and ruining people around the world.

    I guessed they missed his love thy enemy advice and turn the other cheek etc.
    likewise I can name a continent and a subcontinent who were subjagated by muslims, several contients enslaved by pagans, and areas that were subject to terrible atrocities by people who practiced an agnostic form of spirtualism. the last one I can give examples in this century. if we go back to the beginning of time We can find everyone was guilty of something. So starting the clock at the year 1900. what are your best examples?

    Also when using examples of religious terrorism, it also stands that you have to show a connection between that religion and the act, specifically, one must be able to show that the terrorist act in question was commited to further the religious philosophy of the actor or that the actor acted directly because of his/particular faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    which continents ?
    My guess is he's going to say "The Americas"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    If we were standing beside one another, you would get a HIGH 5 from me!--I agree, agree, agree. I have had this view for many years.
    Foreign involvement is ridiculous especially while our own country can't pull the rafter out of it's own eye before plucking straws......

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    likewise I can name a continent and a subcontinent who were subjagated by muslims, several contients enslaved by pagans, and areas that were subject to terrible atrocities by people who practiced an agnostic form of spirtualism. the last one I can give examples in this century. if we go back to the beginning of time We can find everyone was guilty of something. So starting the clock at the year 1900. what are your best examples?

    Also when using examples of religious terrorism, it also stands that you have to show a connection between that religion and the act, specifically, one must be able to show that the terrorist act in question was commited to further the religious philosophy of the actor or that the actor acted directly because of his/particular faith.
    Besides being that you are now changing the parameters of what I originally posted against.

    Oh I see so two wrongs make a right. I condemn all religious fanaticism and terrorism. Do you really think Islamic belief is the cause of the terror? It's politics and big money, they get their followers riled up using religion. Just like Conquistador and European fortune seekers used the name of religion to conquer and take what is not theirs.

    And I don't really care what time from that it occurs in, does that really matter?

    Have you heard of Boarding schools? Have you any native american friends? Ask them about the horrors and scars inflicted to indegenous folks in the name of religion. The wholesale destruction of their religion and culture that continues to this day.

    How many blacks were lynched in this country by white "Christians" this was designed to terrorize a segment of population. The KKK claims to be a christian group.

    How about the Catholic leaders who were Nazi's Heinriech Himmler, considered by some to be the mastermind behind the holocaust.
    How about Efraín Ríos Montt mass murdering dictator of Guatamala (in the 1980's)

    You want to denounce one religion over the other and rationalize that since Islamic acts are more modern they are worse. That is hypocrisy and why I am agnostic and am not for any organized religion. They all are equally bad in my eyes.
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    Apparently, it is Open Season on American diplomatic missions and associated personnel. Attacks upon any nation's embassies is in clear violation of International Law. Where were the U.S. Marines that are generally assigned as the protectors of our embassies? (Oh, yeah... they were being helicoptered in from Tripoli, in a "too little, too late" operation.)

    The Reuters news report stated, "We can see a fire inside the compound and security forces are firing in the air. The demonstrators are fleeing and then charging back," one witness told Reuters".
    The "demonstrators" were a VIOLENT MOB, intent upon doing evil to both the Embassy structure and it's occupants! Had there been armed U.S. Marines assigned to the compound, perhaps there would have been no "charging back" by the "demonstrators".

    Yes, the first wave of attackers should have been - and were - met with directed gunfire over their heads... but that should have changed at the point that mortars and RPGs were used by the attackers. At that point, and IF there was a second wave of attackers, the (imaginary) Marines response should have been heavy weapons fire directly into the mob. But then, the Marines assigned to embassy security are not even issued live FMJ ammo. American civilians overseas CANNOT be perceived as human targets to be killed with impunity! But, the Islamists know that they have a "Get Out of Jail Free" card issued by Barack H. Obama, who has yet to show he has grown a pair in international affairs.
    The Obama administration claims "We are not at war with Islam", yet Islam obviously is at war with us - or at least those of us who are unarmed, and whose security depends upon Muslim guards - guards who are understandably reluctant to fire upon their fellow Muslims for the sake of "the American infidels".
    These murderous attacks are against relatively easy targets - smaller embassies, lacking Marine security forces, and protected by only a handful of unmotivated local guards. The larger missions are properly defended, and therefore the attacks thus far are restricted to rock and bottle throwing from a distance, and no serious attempts to breach the gates and walls.
    However, our Marines MUST NOT be used only for their intimidation factor. Our "Rules of Engagement" are absolutely ridiculous, considering that those who attack us have no such rules binding them. The U.S. Marines assigned as embassy security forces must be given a blanket "Green Light" to engage attackers with whatever force is determined necessary by the senior Marine on-scene. They should not have to wait for authorization from some political fat-cat, busily relaxing half-way around the world. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Foreign involvement is ridiculous especially while our own country can't pull the rafter out of it's own eye before plucking straws......
    Isolationism is not possible in the modern world. it simply isn't.

    Besides being that you are now changing the parameters of what I originally posted against.
    Now, I clearly stated in the last century on my first post

    Oh I see so two wrongs make a right. I condemn all religious fanaticism and terrorism. Do you really think Islamic belief is the cause of the terror? It's politics and big money, they get their followers riled up using religion. Just like Conquistador and European fortune seekers used the name of religion to conquer and take what is not theirs.
    No, I'm stating the simple truth in that levels of violence amonst different groups, and especially since most religions have reconciled with the modern world.

    And I don't really care what time from that it occurs in, does that really matter?
    Well I would says wars that took place 800 years ago are not on the forefront of my mind right now, on the other hand the violence and hostility tied to people who are alive now is certainly relevant.

    Have you heard of Boarding schools? Have you any native american friends? Ask them about the horrors and scars inflicted to indegenous folks in the name of religion. The wholesale destruction of their religion and culture that continues to this day.
    Which was done for political reasons of disbanding native tribes so that Europeans could settle the landscape. It most certainly was not done "in the name of religion" religous schools were used as religious schools were the primary form of education in that time period, secular public education didn't become mainstream until the turn of the century. If you are so heavily opposed to that and wish to hold grudges how about you move to Europe?

    Do you know why that trick doesn't work on me? becuase I am part native, and I have researched the history of the tribe that makes up a small part of my lineage, and they were real jackasses. blood sport, killing other tribes members as tributes, mass rapes, etc. the natives were far from innocent noble people who were extirminated by the evil white man

    How many blacks were lynched in this country by white "Christians" this was designed to terrorize a segment of population. The KKK claims to be a christian group.
    No, they don't. The first clan never claimed an official religion, the second klan embraced a form of christianity to unite farmers and protestant workers against Jews and Catholics. the current KKK is an umbrella of "white nationalist" organizations who believe a wide variety of things. Some White nationalist groups have taken a version of bible commentary by a racialist group called "The Kingdom Identification Ministries" which claims certain parts of the bible contain code that says blacks were created by satan, but that's a reading commentary of the old testament and not the new. It's not uncommon to see white nationalists embrace spirtual earth based pagan beliefs similar to the Druids of the celtic world (which is where the clan robes originate from) to say that the KKK is a purely christian organization is misleading. the klan was never a religous fraternity, they have been a white nationalist group. to answer your question, *MAYBE* 3000 people, over a period of 100 years. with most occuring prior to the turn of the century. i'll flip that back on you, how many christians were kille fighting on the union side to free the slaves?

    How about the Catholic leaders who were Nazi's Heinriech Himmler, considered by some to be the mastermind behind the holocaust
    Having read a full authoritative biography of Himmler for a school project, Himmler grew up catholic, but he became more and more critical of christianity by the time he was working in the Hitler administration. did he politically support the church? yeah, but what was the Vatican supposed to do about that? they were sitting in the middle of facist italy, can ya blame them for not being uppity? and again, hundreds of thousands of catholics in France, from the Canada, the United States, etc died in that war to stop people like Himmler. so nice try there. like the WNs mentioned above, Hitler himself praised islam and the spiritual paganism of the japanese, calling christianity the "wrong religion" for germany to Albert Speer. but nice try attempting to pin the holucaust on christians.


    You want to denounce one religion over the other and rationalize that since Islamic acts are more modern they are worse. That is hypocrisy and why I am agnostic and am not for any organized religion. They all are equally bad in my eyes
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    No I'm stating the simple truth that in the modern world radical islam is far more dangerous then any other religious philisophy prevelant in today's world. that is an educated opinion based upon a serious study of the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Isolationism is not possible in the modern world. it simply isn't.
    Who is talking about isolationism? Stop intervening...different things.



    Now, I clearly stated in the last century on my first post
    Yes which changed the parameters from the first part of your post which is the only part of that post I was addressing.



    No, I'm stating the simple truth in that levels of violence amonst different groups, and especially since most religions have reconciled with the modern world.
    No you are picking on one group over others.



    Well I would says wars that took place 800 years ago are not on the forefront of my mind right now, on the other hand the violence and hostility tied to people who are alive now is certainly relevant.
    But that wasn't what I originally replied too.



    Which was done for political reasons of disbanding native tribes so that Europeans could settle the landscape. It most certainly was not done "in the name of religion" religous schools were used as religious schools were the primary form of education in that time period, secular public education didn't become mainstream until the turn of the century. If you are so heavily opposed to that and wish to hold grudges how about you move to Europe?

    Do you know why that trick doesn't work on me? becuase I am part native, and I have researched the history of the tribe that makes up a small part of my lineage, and they were real jackasses. blood sport, killing other tribes members as tributes, mass rapes, etc. the natives were far from innocent noble people who were extirminated by the evil white man
    Stick to the subject I provided horrors/terror done in the name of religion. Those running the boarding schools cuased a lot of social and mental damage to my family members. No I won't move to Europe my family has been here for thousands of years. I never claimed natives innocent nobles did I. You asked for a specific example and I gave.


    No, they don't. The first clan never claimed an official religion, the second klan embraced a form of christianity to unite farmers and protestant workers against Jews and Catholics. the current KKK is an umbrella of "white nationalist" organizations who believe a wide variety of things. Some White nationalist groups have taken a version of bible commentary by a racialist group called "The Kingdom Identification Ministries" which claims certain parts of the bible contain code that says blacks were created by satan, but that's a reading commentary of the old testament and not the new. It's not uncommon to see white nationalists embrace spirtual earth based pagan beliefs similar to the Druids of the celtic world (which is where the clan robes originate from) to say that the KKK is a purely christian organization is misleading. the klan was never a religous fraternity, they have been a white nationalist group. to answer your question, *MAYBE* 3000 people, over a period of 100 years. with most occuring prior to the turn of the century. i'll flip that back on you, how many christians were kille fighting on the union side to free the slaves?
    This disproves my example how?


    Having read a full authoritative biography of Himmler for a school project, Himmler grew up catholic, but he became more and more critical of christianity by the time he was working in the Hitler administration. did he politically support the church? yeah, but what was the Vatican supposed to do about that? they were sitting in the middle of facist italy, can ya blame them for not being uppity? and again, hundreds of thousands of catholics in France, from the Canada, the United States, etc died in that war to stop people like Himmler. so nice try there. like the WNs mentioned above, Hitler himself praised islam and the spiritual paganism of the japanese, calling christianity the "wrong religion" for germany to Albert Speer. but nice try attempting to pin the holucaust on christians.
    But this did not stop him from using Christianity for support of his actions. Try again.


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    No I'm stating the simple truth that in the modern world radical islam is far more dangerous then any other religious philisophy prevelant in today's world. that is an educated opinion based upon a serious study of the subject.
    No you are picking on one religion, all zealous religious nuts are dangerous.
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    Don't get me wrong I am not defending Radical Islam, I just put it on the same level as radical anything.

    To lower ourselves to claim a war on a belief no matter how radical is just plain dumb and lowers yourself to the level of those attacking in the name of their beliefs.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    How to stop this

    Ok here is my idea. Every time one of them breaches our Embassy's walls we will:

    1) have a banquet in their honor (a pig roast)
    2) have a ceremony for them (baptize them)
    3) give them a free gift (a tattoo of either a Christian cross or star of David, their choice)

    then send them on their way.
    I'm guessing they will find other things to do with their free time!

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