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    Milwaukee Police officer shot on north side

    http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news...169757076.html

    I pray the officer has a quick recovery and the two criminals (who have lengthy criminal careers) get the book thrown at them finally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news...169757076.html

    I pray the officer has a quick recovery and the two criminals (who have lengthy criminal careers) get the book thrown at them finally.
    Why wasn't the book thrown on them long time ago?

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    I know what you mean, but when I see:
    Milwaukee police officer shot on north side
    I wonder where on the body that is.

    As for them finally being kept in jail/prison for a while, if police can convince a jury that they harmed an officer it'll probably happen.

    when they arrived they encountered two suspects who began arguing with the officers.
    That led to a physical struggle
    Arguing (might or might not have actually been an argument; all we're getting is the winner's side) led to fighting (you can imagine my thoughts on that), which led to an officer being shot?
    It's not right that he's injured, but I want more information.
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    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

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    "She also said a relative captured the incident on video that was confiscated by police."

    How is this allowed to continue?
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    http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/169742446.html

    More reports of witnesses and video.
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    Wouldn't it be wonderful if there were other neighbors who also got video?

    The two suspects in custody are 24- and 39-years-old and both have arrest records.
    Big whoopte-do.
    An arrest record doesn't necessarily mean that the person actually did anything wrong.
    (Go ahead, ask me how I know.)
    If they'd been convicted of anything, or spent time in jail/prison, that might be a bit more convincing (except that I know people who have been wrongfully convicted).

    "The police actually have my son down on the ground... He was not resisting arrest. From what the videotape shows is how the police started beating him in the head."
    That sounds awfully familiar... Isn't that what happened with the Lamborghini (sp?) guy?
    Luckily, there were too many bystanders for the police to be able to take all their phones, so that video got out.

    Milwaukee Police Assistant Chief Patrick Mitchell
    He's been in trouble before, too. Cost the city some money to settle lawsuits.
    Wonder why the article didn't mention that?
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    "Our investigation shows the suspect while armed with the weapon of Milwaukee police officer discharged the weapon one time striking the officer in the leg," said Milwaukee Police Assistant Chief Patrick Mitchell during a press conference Friday.

    The two suspects in custody are 24- and 39-years-old and both have arrest records.

    Their family claims that the officers attacked them and that one of those officers accidentally shot himself. They say cell phone video taken of the incident corroborates these claims.

    "The police actually have my son down on the ground," said Jacqueline Cole, who is the mother of the 24-year-old suspect and the sister of the 39-year-old suspect. "He was not resisting arrest. From what the videotape shows is how the police started beating him in the head."


    Sounds like we have 2 conflicting stories ... should the police be able to take witness videos (as "evidence" as the po po states?). I don't think that they should be able to do this under our 1st amendment rights. They should have to ask a judge and get a warrant and allow copies to be made.

    Citizens are under no obligation to make evidence for the police but citizens are allowed to video tape government activites.

    And arrest records? Does not impress me ... show me convictions, not arrests. Innocent until proven guilty. How many on this board have been arrested and had charges either dropped or found not guilty in court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Sounds like we have 2 conflicting stories ... should the police be able to take witness videos (as "evidence" as the po po states?). I don't think that they should be able to do this under our 1st amendment rights. They should have to ask a judge and get a warrant and allow copies to be made.
    There is no "should" about it. Police need a warrant to seize cell phones and cameras. Multiple cities around the country have been forced to publicly release new policy with regards to cameras and phones over the last few years. However this has had no positive effect on the war on photography and the Constitution. Philanderin' Flynn's Keystone "troops" are a prime example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    There is no "should" about it. Police need a warrant to seize cell phones and cameras. Multiple cities around the country have been forced to publicly release new policy with regards to cameras and phones over the last few years. However this has had no positive effect on the war on photography and the Constitution. Philanderin' Flynn's Keystone "troops" are a prime example.
    Any cite on this? And I agree, has had limited effect on our first amendment rights .... some, but very little ... nowhere near where it should be. Cops take them now as "evidence" .. before it was just "gimme gimme gimme"

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Any cite on this?
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co..._14_2012_0.pdf

    US Department of Justice
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    DJ-207-35-10 (google for PDF file)

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    Re: Christopher Sharp vs Baltimore City Police Dept, et. al.

    page 5
    Section 2 - Guidance on Right to Record Police Activity
    Subsection B - Policies should describe the range of prohibited responses to individuals observing or recording the police.

    (paragraph 1)
    "... policies should instruct officers that, except under limited circumstances, officers must not search or seize a camera or recording device without a warrant."

    (paragraph 2)
    "Policies should prohibit officers from destroying recording devices or cameras and deleting recordings or photographs under any circumstances. In addition to violating the First Amendment, police officers violate the core requirements of the Fourth Amendment procedural due process clause when they irrevocably deprive individuals of their recording devices without first providing notice and an opportunity to object. "
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    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Abe was not the best source for quoting .. a guy who suspended our constitutional rights whenever is was best for himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    "Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
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    Abe was not the best source for quoting .. a guy who suspended our constitutional rights whenever is was best for himself
    Regardless of who said it, it does fit the current thinking. A signature line is a matter of personal choice/opinion and a user should not be criticized for exercising that. Jus' sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motofixxer View Post
    "Yes officer I will provide you a copy for your investigation..."
    "...IMMEDIATELY after receiving the subpoena..."
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    here's the question. Are you willing to be thrown in jail for not handing it over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    here's the question. Are you willing to be thrown in jail for not handing it over?
    And then win a big settlement against the municipality for stealing your property and violating your 4A rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    big settlement ?
    Most judges won't allow "big settlements" ... take a jury trial every time .. but juries are scared of the police...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    There is no "should" about it. Police need a warrant to seize cell phones and cameras. Multiple cities around the country have been forced to publicly release new policy with regards to cameras and phones over the last few years. However this has had no positive effect on the war on photography and the Constitution. Philanderin' Flynn's Keystone "troops" are a prime example.
    Incorrect, police may seize the phone as evidence in this case. They would get a search warrant for the contents of the phone (the video).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LESGTINCT View Post
    Incorrect, police may seize the phone as evidence in this case. They would get a search warrant for the contents of the phone (the video).
    Thank you for clarifying that. You are indeed correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    here's the question. Are you willing to be thrown in jail for not handing it over?
    Assuming you are actually given the option of willingly handing it over.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    Most judges won't allow "big settlements" ... take a jury trial every time .. but juries are scared of the police...
    Usually doesn't get that far. Here's a relatively high profile case. Is $100,000 a big settlement for getting your face bashed in? I don't know...

    http://vimeo.com/27026719

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/las-vegas-p...143726156.html




    Quote Originally Posted by LESGTINCT View Post
    Incorrect, police may seize the phone as evidence in this case. They would get a search warrant for the contents of the phone (the video).
    Well, if the camera was the instrument used to shoot the police officer in his north side the cops wouldn't need a warrant as stated in the DOJ thingy posted above. Since a firearm was used to shoot the officer and not a camera you would be mistaken. They can't take your camera. They need a warrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by PolkaJoe View Post
    Thank you for clarifying that. You are indeed correct.
    Say what? An incorrect opinion with nothing to back it up is hardly clarification.

    Cite?
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    Which is the north side of a police officer?
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    The side he was shot in.



    Thank you, here all week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LESGTINCT View Post
    Incorrect, police may seize the phone as evidence in this case. They would get a search warrant for the contents of the phone (the video).
    Do you have a site for this?
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