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    post office in a gas station

    So, I know that you cannot carry in a post office or even in the parking lot of the property (I hope you don't ask for a cite). But here's the problem - there is a gas station on lake mead near hollywood that has a post office inside of it. Am I allowed to carry in the gas station still? Or even in the lot in order to get gas? Also slightly related - what about mailing centers that ship via USPS as well as the other private shipping companies?

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    My understanding is those are contract units, not ran by the Feds, with no fed employees. To me that sounds like carry away.

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    They're contractors. You can carry there, just like you can carry in the vehicle of someone who happens to use it to deliver a rural mail route during the day.

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    Even if staffed with a USPS employee, the "postal property" would only be the part they lease on the other side of the counter. And, like stated, most aren't federal employees anyway; I'm not familiar with the exact store here, though, but you don't need to worry about being in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegaspassat View Post
    So, I know that you cannot carry in a post office or even in the parking lot of the property...
    The parking lot is restricted ONLY if it is enclosed. "(2) Vehicles and their contents brought into, while on, or being removed from restricted nonpublic areas are subject to inspection." etc. http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...9%3A1.0.1.4.21

    Also slightly related - what about mailing centers that ship via USPS as well as the other private shipping companies?
    These are private enterprises and not subject to the restrictions in the CFR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    The parking lot is restricted ONLY if it is enclosed. "(2) Vehicles and their contents brought into, while on, or being removed from restricted nonpublic areas are subject to inspection." etc. http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...9%3A1.0.1.4.21
    I think this section says differently:

    232.1 - Conduct on postal property.

    (a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property. This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property. This section shall not apply to (i) Any portions of real property, owned or leased by the Postal Service, that are leased or subleased by the Postal Service to private tenants for their exclusive use; (ii) With respect to sections 232.1(h)(1) and 232.1(o), sidewalks along the street frontage of postal property falling within the property lines of the Postal Service that are not physically distinguishable from adjacent municipal or other public sidewalks, and any paved areas adjacent to such sidewalks that are not physically distinguishable from such sidewalks.
    So if a PO has a dedicated customer parking lot, it is restricted...even without a fence. If said parking lot is shared...as in the case of a PO in a strip mall...then it is not restricted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyKen View Post
    The parking lot is restricted ONLY if it is enclosed. "(2) Vehicles and their contents brought into, while on, or being removed from restricted nonpublic areas are subject to inspection." etc. ...
    'Illegal to possess' and 'subject to inspection' are not the same thing.

    How sure are you that the unfenced parking lot that is obviously on postal property and for the sole use of a post office is legal for firearms possession?

    I agree that I've never heard of it being enforced in anyway; you could probably have a gun rack in the rear window and not have a problem in the parking lot, but that doesn't mean it's not illegal. I realize the burden of citing to authority is on the side of the claim of something being illegal, but I thought this was common knowledge, even for the parking lot (again, though never having been enforced).

    The 'subject to inspection' probably relates to the back parking lot for employees and company vehicles, etc.
    Last edited by MAC702; 09-19-2012 at 11:11 PM.
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    At the post office by us the fenced in back area has a sign with rules. Those rules have a no weapons section. The other lot has no such sign. The only sign is when you are already in the building. So I have always taken it to mean the fenced area only off limits and my car was ok in the non fenced lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
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