slapmonkay
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That's not completely correct. The sheriff is the supreme authority within his jurisdiction.
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Private Sale!
- Thread starter Calvin Quint
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That's not completely correct. The sheriff is the supreme authority within his jurisdiction.
TechnoWeenie
Regular Member
Laugh at him. Ok. not quite a laugh, but was hard to keep from smiling when he said it.
The second officer "Fernandez" was the one being the *****, the one who wanted to tell me about 'registering' it and whatnot.
I posted the audio of the encounter a few times.
Below is the first time, unrelated to the registration.
I haven't snipped the 'if it's not registered to you, we'll take it' part, IIRC, the audio was pretty bad, but still intelligible.
http://soundcloud.com/john-parks-3/threatenedtotakemypistolforoc
Here is the ***** that I was talking about, L O L...
Not sure if you can hear it, but I'm trying to hold back a laugh...
http://soundcloud.com/john-parks-3/mustconceal
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Calvin Quint
New member
Actually as far as I know. The Country Sheriff's Office has jurisdiction over city police, WSP has jurisdiction over City/County, and feds have it over WSP.
deanf
Regular Member
This is a false notion. Washington law establishes the sheriff of a county as the "chief executive officer and conservator of the peace of the county." That's fine as far as it goes, but remember that counties get their operating authority from The State, as do cities. There is no chain of command of political jurisdictions in Washington. So just because Bellevue is in King County does not mean that the King County Sheriff has command authority over the Bellevue police chief. Once Bellevue was incorporated (as a Washington State city, not as a King County city), the Sheriff's command authority shrank to exclude Bellevue.
This urban legend of the county sheriff holding command authority over all other law enforcement in his county stems from a mid-'90s federal court case that has been misinterpreted by many. The judge in the case was even so fed up that he posted comments on the court's web site. To wit:
This sheriff-as-highest-authority B.S. comes from the same people who refuse to recognize the authority of a court that displays a U.S. flag with gold fringe. "Fringe" being the key word here, I think.
(This is not to say that in some states, their legislature or their constitution might establish a different system.)
Mike
Site Co-Founder
No, my point is mainly that (1) federal law provides significant privacy protection re gun sale data, see http://epic.org/privacy/firearms/, and (2) that as a practical matter subsequent transfers of guns, and the 10 year ATF Form 4473 destruction authorization, provides practicle privacy to the title of most guns in America.
hermannr
Regular Member
The firearm manufacturer will tell LE who they shipped the gun to...could be any gun dealer, distributer or wholesaler. The firearm manufacturer does not know who purchased the weapon, unless they have a mail in warrantee card, online warrantee registration etc,,,and the purchaser mailed it in or registered the purchase.
Ther are also litterly millions of weapons that were sold long before there was a form 4473 or even the washington state record of sale. There were no "Licensed" dealers prior to GCA68. Most of the guns I own were legally obtained by me from a store, as a gift or inherieted with no 4473 or any other paperwork.
If you have a trusted person that will sell you a weapon you want..do it, it's totally legal here. No CPl, No DL, background check, no state registration, No 4473 needed. The rules are: You live in the same state and are not a prohibited person...that is it. (for a pistol FTF transaction)
Ther are also litterly millions of weapons that were sold long before there was a form 4473 or even the washington state record of sale. There were no "Licensed" dealers prior to GCA68. Most of the guns I own were legally obtained by me from a store, as a gift or inherieted with no 4473 or any other paperwork.
If you have a trusted person that will sell you a weapon you want..do it, it's totally legal here. No CPl, No DL, background check, no state registration, No 4473 needed. The rules are: You live in the same state and are not a prohibited person...that is it. (for a pistol FTF transaction)
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
Can you explain this claim? Either by example or statute? Do you mean by voluntary means or by compulsion?
twoskinsonemanns
Regular Member
I'm sorry Mike, I'll admit I don't understand your statement. It seems intentionally vague as to not answer my specific questions.
amlevin
Regular Member
amlevin
Regular Member
Don't know much about any robberies involving guns back where you live but here in the Pacific Northwest there have been several. Approximately 100 from a gun store in Lynnwood, WA, more from a large Sporting Goods store in Fife, WA, a large quantity stolen, along with the safes, from a family attending a funeral, are among the more recent here. Let's not forget that even the former Police Chief's (Seattle) Glock was stolen and is out there somewhere.
Not everyone knows just how "law abiding" that seller is unless you know them personally. On top of that, you don't know how "legal" the weapon was when they bought it. Just take a look on the local forums for all the handguns that are for sale, especially as times got more difficult an people had to make choices, eat or keep the firearm.
Paranoid? Maybe, but for some it's also called common sense. Firearms don't have "titles" just like cars but possession of one that turns out to be stolen can be just as damaging to one's freedom and wallet.
Jayd1981
Regular Member
I have bought and sold several guns through private sales. I'm not really concerned about paperwork, although I usually do write a basic reciept with the other persons name and address and the information on the firearm. However I have never sent in the "registration form" to DOL nor have any inclination to do so.
To decide if I will buy/sell from/to a particular person I judge them on a case by case basis if I do not know them personally. If they act shifty then I will not go through with the transaction. If they make comments about not being eligle to buy from an FFL then I will not go through with the transaction. Take the time to talk to them about firearms for a few minutes and I imagine you'd be able to tell if they are a collector/enthusiast or someone trying to get a firearm without going to an FFL dealer.
To decide if I will buy/sell from/to a particular person I judge them on a case by case basis if I do not know them personally. If they act shifty then I will not go through with the transaction. If they make comments about not being eligle to buy from an FFL then I will not go through with the transaction. Take the time to talk to them about firearms for a few minutes and I imagine you'd be able to tell if they are a collector/enthusiast or someone trying to get a firearm without going to an FFL dealer.
rapgood
Regular Member
Interesting. It has been my experience that WSP will not investigate a claim of wrongdoing by an officer of a city/county LE agency unless they have been requested by that agency to conduct the investigation, and specifically do not investigate solely based upon a citizen's request. Maybe they have different standards for different types of claims.
SeattleWingsfan
Regular Member
This did not happen in this state, so skip over if you want.
Working in Michigan on a construction site, we had Teamsters picketing my business. Throwing rocks at trucks, putting down spike strips and twisted nails tack welded together, standing in the way blocking deliveries. Being a general pain in the ass. The local township cops when called, brought out doughnuts and coffee for a bunch or them and just sat in the car. So we called the state police, they showed up removed the tire flatteners, made them get out of the way for the trucks. Turned into a daily occurance, the MSP started to voluntarily show up at 6:30am and have it all cleaned up for when contractors showed up. Much more professional, in this circumstance.
Now for on topic...
Before that incident I didn't think there was a difference between state police and locals as far as who to call when you have an issue. I think many years latter with everything being dispatched through 911 it would be much harder to get who you want. Does anyone know if when you call 911, can you ask for say lakewood pd, or pierce county, or state?
Working in Michigan on a construction site, we had Teamsters picketing my business. Throwing rocks at trucks, putting down spike strips and twisted nails tack welded together, standing in the way blocking deliveries. Being a general pain in the ass. The local township cops when called, brought out doughnuts and coffee for a bunch or them and just sat in the car. So we called the state police, they showed up removed the tire flatteners, made them get out of the way for the trucks. Turned into a daily occurance, the MSP started to voluntarily show up at 6:30am and have it all cleaned up for when contractors showed up. Much more professional, in this circumstance.
Now for on topic...
Before that incident I didn't think there was a difference between state police and locals as far as who to call when you have an issue. I think many years latter with everything being dispatched through 911 it would be much harder to get who you want. Does anyone know if when you call 911, can you ask for say lakewood pd, or pierce county, or state?
deanf
Regular Member
911 is not an agency, it is a telephone system.
Each agency can have their own dispatch center, where their 911 calls ring to, but it is common for them to consolidate. Each dispatch center can transfer 911 calls to other dispatch centers. You could call 911 in Seattle (and get the Seattle PD dispatch center), for example, and ask for WSP. They would transfer your call to the WSP dispatch center in Bellevue.
SeattleWingsfan
Regular Member
I knew 911 wasn't a agency. I just wasn't sure how it worked ie. If they have set or possibly mandatory guides on who you get transfered to depending on location.
Thanks for the reply.
Thanks for the reply.
DamonK
Regular Member
Must have missed all this about me being a liar... anyways, if you call to report a crime ie harassment or menacing(as was my case) they have to come out. And no, they don't sit them down and teach them about the laws, that would be rediculas. The trooper simple separated us, called dispatch to see what the original call consisted of (MWAG) and determined that the officer was being over zealous. It helps that I have both a flawless legal and driving record and sound like a reasonable person. Plain and simple.
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deanf
Regular Member
How so? Which law is that?
And then what happened? What did the trooper say to the officer in order to separate you two? What did the trooper say to the officer at then end of the contact?
ncwabbit
Regular Member
i am searching the protocals but am tethering on my droid so it is extremely slow, but have always been advised the sheriff's organization was the highest law enforcement officer within their jurisdiction and WSP responsibilities were limited to traffic. therefore, if there was a problem w/local police per se, the sheriff was the office to report the police's misconduct to them.
wabbit
ps http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/
wabbit
ps http://constitutionallawenforcementassoc.blogspot.com/
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deanf
Regular Member
Their responsibilities are not limited to traffic. WSP troopers are commissioned Washington police officers with all the authority that goes with a commission.
Traditionally they concentrate on traffic, but they are not limited to it.
ncwabbit
Regular Member
my rationale centers around the sheriff is the only 'elected' law enforcement officer of the people to uphold the state's constitution.
and dean i did not mean to disparage the WSP's law enforcement powers but rather point out they are historically traffic.
wabbit
and dean i did not mean to disparage the WSP's law enforcement powers but rather point out they are historically traffic.
wabbit