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2A/OC Pure partisan politics though

Redbaron007

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You guys make me laugh. You'd vote for nancy pelosi if she changed her blue undies for red and you put a R an in front of her name.

Just think about what your going to do, vote for a man who signed a permanent AWB into law, raised fees for gun owners by 400% and invented Obamacare. Not to mention did nothing for the economy of his state.
That's who you will inflict on the American people? Ugh.

A vote for Obamney is damn near traitorous.

Your hyperbole of facts is grossly overestimated.

No, I wouldn't vote for Pelosi, even with an R. And if she made it through the primaries as a R...I wouldn't.

Actually, the facts are, Romney re-signed an existing AWB; however, his was less restrictive than the prior one. As to the 400% increased fees, you will have to educate me on that one. Haven't seen that one.

As to he invented Obamacare....political rhetoric, at best. He signed legislation for his state...did King Obama use some of it, possible, however, Romney also used some of Hilary's diatribe for national Healthcare....so in essence, Hilary gets the credit for Obamacare.

So based upon your comments, you'll be voting in a manner that allows King Obama to remain in office? Funny, all the things you sight as bad, is what KO would like to do....and you will allow it by not voting in the best interest of the country. Interesting thought process. :confused:
 

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I hardly think that the Mittster's "record" in MASSACHUSETTS is a harbinger of things to come for the other 56 states if he is elected president.

The saying is "Money talks and B/S walks." There was a reason why Mr. Romney got the endorsement of the NRA. There is a reason why he changed his view of firearms.

Yes he did do the AWB in MA.

Can you add 1+1=$

That is political economics. The NRa did the math, Mr. Romney saw the $um at th ebottom, he is now an oficial 2A supporter. That's American politics!

NO CHARGE FOR THE CIVICS LESSON.

Does it SUCK? Yes, but my friends, that's the Americam way, that's business as usual in America.

Blast away, but that's just the way it is.... If Obummer wins, dig a hole, gather food and water, the walls just may come tumbling down under weight of economic decay. It's called the debt ceiling, and it's falling.
 

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The "permanent" AWB in MA is only as permanent as the electorate will allow it to remain permanent. At this point it seems the citizens of MA are quite comfortable with a AWB, permanent or otherwise.
 

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I hardly think that the Mittster's "record" in MASSACHUSETTS is a harbinger of things to come for the other 56 states if he is elected president.

The "permanent" AWB in MA is only as permanent as the electorate will allow it to remain permanent. At this point it seems the citizens of MA are quite comfortable with a AWB, permanent or otherwise.

These are called mental gymnastics.
Romney's political career as the governor of a state does not provide an indication of what he would do as the president of a country? That's gotta be tough to say with a straight face for any intelligent person even the most hard core repubs.

And then trying to deflect Romney's disgusting AWB with semantics of the definition of the word permanent. His AWB is just as permanent as the 2A.
 

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I will be voting for the guy who didn't sign an AWB.
I will be voting for the guy who did sign National Parks carry.
 

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Not really, your just not used to hearing about Mitt without the Fox News spin on it.

Is that the best you can come back with? Then maybe you need to watch more Fox and less of MSNBC/CNN/HNN. :lol:

beebobby.....how are you going to vote for George Bush? He originally passed the National Parks carry. When it was overturned....the conservatives attached it to the restrictive Credit Card act that King Obama wanted to place on the American people...he wanted to place more restrictions on banks and CC companies than prevent carrying into National Parks. Sounds like the repubs played it pretty well. ;)
 

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Is that the best you can come back with? Then maybe you need to watch more Fox and less of MSNBC/CNN/HNN. :lol:

beebobby.....how are you going to vote for George Bush? He originally passed the National Parks carry. When it was overturned....the conservatives attached it to the restrictive Credit Card act that King Obama wanted to place on the American people...he wanted to place more restrictions on banks and CC companies than prevent carrying into National Parks. Sounds like the repubs played it pretty well. ;)

MSNBC/CNN/ lie as much as Fox.

As far as "coming back"... You did it for me. Admitted he is gun grabber, twist to makes it sound okay.
Admitted he supported socialistic health care, twist to make it sounds benign because it was only his state.
You didn't offer any twist on how him leaving his state's economy no better than it was when he got it... so I'm assuming you didn't want to discuss that part.

I didn't think any "come back" was necessary.
 

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As to me "wasting" my vote voting for a 3rd party candidate.

Look at it this way. If I vote for someone just because they have a better chance of winning, that sounds like the biggest waste of a vote you could possibly make.

Sounds to me like some of you would rather vote for someone that might win because THAT'S what gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Let me make this clear: voting for someone I know isn't going to win does not give me a warm feeling. It's a cold feeling knowing you can't win, but I'm not going to "waste" the ONLY vote I get to make on someone I don't even like.
 

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These are called mental gymnastics.
Romney's political career as the governor of a state does not provide an indication of what he would do as the president of a country? That's gotta be tough to say with a straight face for any intelligent person even the most hard core repubs.

And then trying to deflect Romney's disgusting AWB with semantics of the definition of the word permanent. His AWB is just as permanent as the 2A.

If Obama is reelected, would you bet $1000 that he will push for some type of gun control?

If Romney is elected, would you bet $1000 that he will push for some type of gun control?
 

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If Obama is reelected, would you bet $1000 that he will push for some type of gun control?

If Romney is elected, would you bet $1000 that he will push for some type of gun control?

No I wouldn't bet either way. But I do think the chances are pretty much equal for either one.
 

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...Sounds to me like some of you would rather vote for someone that might win because THAT'S what gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Let me make this clear: voting for someone I know isn't going to win does not give me a warm feeling. It's a cold feeling knowing you can't win, but I'm not going to "waste" the ONLY vote I get to make on someone I don't even like.

^ Nicely summarizes my opinion of the matter.

My one vote will not make any impact directly upon who wins, but it symbolizes far more than I'm willing to throw away on something as insignificant and contrived as a media popularity contest.

It symbolizes the consent of the governed. I no longer consent to being ruled by the Republican/Democrat duopoly.

I know that the majority will cast their consent to keep things the way they are, I just wish they wouldn't project their own failings and motivations to continue doing so onto others. Not that it bothers me, personally, but the weak-minded will believe their nonsense, feel ashamed and, as they are prone to do, follow the herd and begin to regurgitate it themselves.

No warm fuzzy feeling here, either, but I am resolved to cast my consent in such a manner that I feel would honor those who were willing to sacrifice everything for the principles of Liberty and the right to truly participate in our role of self-governance.
 

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MSNBC/CNN/ lie as much as Fox.

As far as "coming back"... You did it for me. Admitted he is gun grabber, twist to makes it sound okay.
Admitted he supported socialistic health care, twist to make it sounds benign because it was only his state.
You didn't offer any twist on how him leaving his state's economy no better than it was when he got it... so I'm assuming you didn't want to discuss that part.

I didn't think any "come back" was necessary.

Actually, IIRC, he did leave his state better off. The economy maybe wasn't the best, but what state is? He did eliminate a deficit and balanced the budgets. :confused:

No one admits he was a gun grabber but you; he did sign a renewal of existing law, with a few less restrictions. FYI, they can have automatic weapons in MA.

But once again, you obfuscate who you support. From your comments, I would gather, you are supporting the re-election of King Obama, correct? I'm reading between the lines, I know that is dangerous, but with your comments, I gather you don't like Romney and don't intend to vote for him; thus by not voting for a candidate who can beat King Obama, you support a candidate who can't win....giving one less vote for Romney....allowing King Obama to accumulate more votes, enabling him to win.

So...again....Do you believe King Obama has done a great job being POTUS/Commander in Chief and will do a much better job than the other candidates (Romney)? If so, then vote for KO. Do you think the people KO has put in place have done good for our country? If so, vote KO.

However, if you think KO has not done the job sufficient, then why not vote for someone who may be able to lead our country out the pit it is in? Why give KO the opportunity to possible replace 1-3 SC Justices with the liberal ones he has placed in there? Why give him the ability to appoint people that will abuse our policies (Fast/Furious), why allow him to redistribute wealth? I don't want him to do this anymore!

As I have stated; is Romney the best out there, nope! But aside from a no name losing 3rd party candidate, it's all we have.

The choice is now yours....what are you going to do about the future...status quo or a different (better) path?
 

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If the popular vote mattered at all why didn't gore win in 2000. Stop the bickering and hope whoever you want gets selected by the electoral colleges.
- .02
 
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Redbaron007

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If the popular vote mattered at all why didn't gore win in 2000. Stop the bickering and hope whoever you want gets selected by the electoral colleges.
- .02


This is the game King Obama is playing....he is hoping there is a partial split on the conservative side, reducing the potential of any of the electoral votes going to the Repubs. He is catering to the electoral college, doesn't care for the popular vote. If he can pull off a few electoral wins with swing states, he's in.
 

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As to me "wasting" my vote voting for a 3rd party candidate.

Let me make this clear: voting for someone I know isn't going to win does not give me a warm feeling. It's a cold feeling knowing you can't win, but I'm not going to "waste" the ONLY vote I get to make on someone I don't even like.

Understanding your thoughts is not hard, it is not even a disagreeable position, it does however have repercussions.


Forget the debates that you hear so much in the media, those are agendas. Instead consider very real long term thoughts.

Note going to debate the NEED for health care insurance, but the actual legal position.

For 235 years this country has functioned quite well with citizens telling the government what to do. Generally speaking, exclusive of the issues surrounding slavery and similar activities, the general premise has been the government can make a law that tells you what you can't do, the legislature recommends it, the executive branch approves it, and SCOTUS upholds it if found to be acceptable by the founding documents.

Last year changed ALL of that and much of the SCOTUS debate around the healthcare law made it very clear. For the first time in history it has been allowed for the government not to tell you what you can't do, but to actually FORCE you to do something. Guy (assumed male) that is HUGE and some serious insight into the future. The government is SEIZING POWER and EXERCISING it upon citizens now and all three branches of government just moved forward on it.

While you may well believe that the third party candidate vote is a free speech issue and sends a message of some level, it is without merit. The best race ever for a third party candidate ever was Perot. I believe he is the ONLY third party candidate in history to garner more than 5% of the vote, effectively rendering any third party run in modern times nearly impossible and statistically delusional at this time.

The above noted, take a real close look at the third branch of government and recent votes. 100% of the liberals voted for the government to TELL YOU what to do, 100% of the conservatives voted against TELLING YOU what to do and the one moderate back and fourth justice went liberal this vote and approved the government telling YOU what to do. Why is that important? If you look at the ages of those serving justice's you will find 3 of them are over 75 years old, one liberal and two conservatives.

It is important because it is quite likely the next administration will indeed be appointing 3 or perhaps even 4 justice's to the bench. If you think for one second that the DC ruling on firearms would go the same with two more liberals on the bench, you had better take another look at the vote on McDonald and read the dissenting opinions.

We got put on the slippery slope this year with SCOTUS voting that the government now TELLS US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO instead of the other way around, and if you do not consider the potential third branch appointments as a significant part of your voting criteria, be careful, you just may get what you ask for, the ground work has already been done, there is case law, and more laws will pass muster unless the third branch stops it.

Other than that, vote as you see fit. You put your opinions out there and I have responded in kind with my own, I ask only that you consider it and then do as you see fit.
 

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"It is important because it is quite likely the next administration will indeed be appointing 3 or perhaps even 4 justice's to the bench. If you think for one second that the DC ruling on firearms would go the same with two more liberals on the bench, you had better take another look at the vote on McDonald and read the dissenting opinions."

LMTD-The eabove is probably the most important part of your post related to 2A.
The next President will have a significant influence on th emake up of the court.
Anti-2A Judges, with the wrong case can flush the 2nd amendment right down the toilet. Can't blame Bush for that one!

Obama has made his case evry clear "Citizens do not have the right to own guns"!

Yes, Romney did the AWB in Mass. Politics people, politics. Money talks and B/S/ walks. Ther 2A money went and is going to Romney. As the saying goes, "Follow the money".

It's vote for Romney and the next Court or you'll get what you didn't vote for.

And that's a fact sir!
 

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Understanding your thoughts is not hard, it is not even a disagreeable position, it does however have repercussions.


Forget the debates that you hear so much in the media, those are agendas. Instead consider very real long term thoughts.

Note going to debate the NEED for health care insurance, but the actual legal position.

For 235 years this country has functioned quite well with citizens telling the government what to do. Generally speaking, exclusive of the issues surrounding slavery and similar activities, the general premise has been the government can make a law that tells you what you can't do, the legislature recommends it, the executive branch approves it, and SCOTUS upholds it if found to be acceptable by the founding documents.

Last year changed ALL of that and much of the SCOTUS debate around the healthcare law made it very clear. For the first time in history it has been allowed for the government not to tell you what you can't do, but to actually FORCE you to do something. Guy (assumed male) that is HUGE and some serious insight into the future. The government is SEIZING POWER and EXERCISING it upon citizens now and all three branches of government just moved forward on it.

While you may well believe that the third party candidate vote is a free speech issue and sends a message of some level, it is without merit. The best race ever for a third party candidate ever was Perot. I believe he is the ONLY third party candidate in history to garner more than 5% of the vote, effectively rendering any third party run in modern times nearly impossible and statistically delusional at this time.

The above noted, take a real close look at the third branch of government and recent votes. 100% of the liberals voted for the government to TELL YOU what to do, 100% of the conservatives voted against TELLING YOU what to do and the one moderate back and fourth justice went liberal this vote and approved the government telling YOU what to do. Why is that important? If you look at the ages of those serving justice's you will find 3 of them are over 75 years old, one liberal and two conservatives.

It is important because it is quite likely the next administration will indeed be appointing 3 or perhaps even 4 justice's to the bench. If you think for one second that the DC ruling on firearms would go the same with two more liberals on the bench, you had better take another look at the vote on McDonald and read the dissenting opinions.

We got put on the slippery slope this year with SCOTUS voting that the government now TELLS US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO instead of the other way around, and if you do not consider the potential third branch appointments as a significant part of your voting criteria, be careful, you just may get what you ask for, the ground work has already been done, there is case law, and more laws will pass muster unless the third branch stops it.

Other than that, vote as you see fit. You put your opinions out there and I have responded in kind with my own, I ask only that you consider it and then do as you see fit.

I see what you're getting at. That this election is an election of the SCOTUS more than it is the POTUS. I agree with you.

However, there's only one thing that scares me more than who Obama might appoint, and that's who Romney might appoint.
 

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I see what you're getting at. That this election is an election of the SCOTUS more than it is the POTUS. I agree with you.

However, there's only one thing that scares me more than who Obama might appoint, and that's who Romney might appoint.

Each and all have their choices to make, but I will never understand a US citizen voting for them first person in the country's history to grant the government power over the people or the party that indeed CONFIRMED it.

As much as I can agree with some democrat positions on some issues, the fundamental position that we are to be subservient to the government when our founding documents clearly define otherwise is baffling.


I will take 7 Romney appointments over any from Obama and his socialism agendas every time.

You may NEED the government making decisions for you and forcing you to buy products, I do not, I know far better than they what is right for me and my family and they need to stat the hell out of my business and pocket! That is NOT a position Obama and team support at any level, nor would it be of any justice they would nominate.
 
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