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    Defensive Handgun I class - Doswell, Va. October 6th and October 27th, 2012

    Due to popularity, Proactive Shooters has scheduled two Defensive Handgun I classes; scheduled for October 6 & 27.



    Details and registration can be found here - http://proactiveshooters.com/defensive-handgun-i-2/
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    $150 too high IMO ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    $150 too high IMO ...
    Not in my opinion. I also talked to a friend that took this class a month or so ago and he loved it. (Andy)

    He and I shoot at the same competition at LGC so it wasn't too basic for him either.

    I wish I had time (and money) to take it but my daughters' schedules keep me busy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    $150 too high IMO ...
    Sorry you feel that way. Most of the students who comment actually say that they would be willing to pay more. I'm not sure what price you are willing to pay for good training, but we feel that $150 is quite fair for what is being taught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Sorry you feel that way. Most of the students who comment actually say that they would be willing to pay more. I'm not sure what price you are willing to pay for good training, but we feel that $150 is quite fair for what is being taught.
    And do the students give you more money then? Ahhh...your a good sport. Still, $150 is to high IMO. Learning good gun safety takes years...basic safety, twenty minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    And do the students give you more money then? Ahhh...your a good sport. Still, $150 is to high IMO. Learning good gun safety takes years...basic safety, twenty minutes.

    Keep the Faith!
    What we teach in that class can't be taught in 20 minutes.....but thanks for playing and giving your opinion of our pricing structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    $150 too high IMO ...
    so don't sign up to take part, pretty simple solution. There ya go, I just saved you $150.

    Now then, IMO, if you haven't taken a class with Jim then you're not in a position to speak as to whether or not you get value for money from his training. Somehow I don't think I'll be the only one here defending him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scouser View Post
    so don't sign up to take part, pretty simple solution. There ya go, I just saved you $150.

    Now then, IMO, if you haven't taken a class with Jim then you're not in a position to speak as to whether or not you get value for money from his training. Somehow I don't think I'll be the only one here defending him.
    Thank you, scouser. I appreciate that.

    I guess someone left the "*******" light on too long. It started to attract ****flies.
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    To overtly criticize a person or business for their pricing structure, especially when one has no personal experience with them, is hardly responsible and IMO inexcusable. It surely goes against the responsible and courteous attitude we wish to foster here.

    Those looking for the cheapest of anything should be aware that they will most likely receive in kind commensurate with what they paid. When it comes to self-defense training (life or death) value received would seem to be the best test.

    Many here have taken ProShooter's courses. Apparently none have come away wanting - many have spoken to getting a lot more than they expected and have recommended his classes highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    To overtly criticize a person or business for their pricing structure, especially when one has no personal experience with them, is hardly responsible and IMO inexcusable. It surely goes against the responsible and courteous attitude we wish to foster here.

    Those looking for the cheapest of anything should be aware that they will most likely receive in kind commensurate with what they paid. When it comes to self-defense training (life or death) value received would seem to be the best test.

    Many here have taken ProShooter's courses. Apparently none have come away wanting - many have spoken to getting a lot more than they expected and have recommended his classes highly.

    The attacks stop here.
    Not an attack, just an observation Grape.

    The first course I took was back in the 70's and was around $1000.00 for 4 days. Adjusting for inflation and considering Jim's class is one day....it's a bargain! IMO

    On a downside Jim, October 6th is the opening day of bow season so decent people can't come.

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    ? you do any night training, for people with night vison scopes? Like rifle ? 100-400 yds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    ? you do any night training, for people with night vison scopes? Like rifle ? 100-400 yds?
    Most (all?) instructors here specializing in defensive training, concentrate on handguns and the emphasis is on defensive.

    Such training as you refer to doesn't really fit the normal criteria for defensive training, but I suspect you already know that and are continuing in a manner to which you have already been cautioned.

    That and long guns are generally OT for this forum - particularly when offensive use is considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Most (all?) instructors here specializing in defensive training, concentrate on handguns and the emphasis is on defensive.

    Such training as you refer to doesn't really fit the normal criteria for defensive training, but I suspect you already know that and are continuing in a manner to which you have already been cautioned.

    That and long guns are generally OT for this forum - particularly when offensive use is considered.
    It's dark 1/2 the time ... why not do night training? Seems reasonable..and was wondering about the possibility of pistol and rifle training and possibly using night vision equipment. I would think many members have this capability or equipment. I have seen posts of other(s) on this forum asking the same ? before.

    You hear something outside at night outside your house ... what do you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Most (all?) instructors here specializing in defensive training, concentrate on handguns and the emphasis is on defensive.

    Such training as you refer to doesn't really fit the normal criteria for defensive training, but I suspect you already know that and are continuing in a manner to which you have already been cautioned.

    That and long guns are generally OT for this forum - particularly when offensive use is considered.
    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    It's dark 1/2 the time ... why not do night training? Seems reasonable..and was wondering about the possibility of pistol and rifle training and possibly using night vision equipment. I would think many members have this capability or equipment. I have seen posts of other(s) on this forum asking the same ? before.

    You hear something outside at night outside your house ... what do you do?
    Don't think that anyone said that low light training was not offered in some form as you imply. Such is not normally in the block of instruction for Basic Defensive Handgun training. Anyone that desires advance training need but to check the offered class descriptions or ask. How difficult can that be?

    Night vision equipment would decidedly not be the norm for but very, very few members here.

    Hearing something outside your house at night is a subject for another thread. Not appropriate in this thread regarding ProShooter's Defensive Handgun I class.

    Further misdirection will be edited/deleted.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Spots are still available for both class dates.
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