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    Gary Johnson's running mate in Spokane

    Vice Presidential candidate, Judge Jim Gray will be in Spokane on October 1 and 2. On Monday, 1 October, he will be at Spokane Events and Catering, 10512 E Sprague Avenue, Spokane Valley, WA 99206. From 1900 to 2100, he ill give a presentation, answer questions, and shake hands. We will have coffee and water, and some cookies to munch on. There is a bar in the event room, but everyone will have to buy their own. Obama says this ethanol doesn't qualify for his subsidy.

    I have open carried in this facility before and was carrying when I met with the owner to coordinate this event. I'll be carrying Monday evening. Who wants to join me?

    Tuesday, 2 October from 1100 to 1300 he will be doing the same thing at the EWU PUB Mall in Cheney. I open carried there last Sunday.

    Before anyone gets offended and says this forum is about carrying handguns, not politics, I say you can't carry a handgun if they have all been taken away. The Republicans had to look long and hard to find someone more anti-gun-rights than McCain, but they found him. Governor Johnson and Judge Gray are offering you a choice. Take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwordinger View Post
    Vice Presidential candidate, Judge Jim Gray will be in Spokane on October 1 and 2. On Monday, 1 October, he will be at Spokane Events and Catering, 10512 E Sprague Avenue, Spokane Valley, WA 99206. From 1900 to 2100, he ill give a presentation, answer questions, and shake hands. We will have coffee and water, and some cookies to munch on. There is a bar in the event room, but everyone will have to buy their own. Obama says this ethanol doesn't qualify for his subsidy.

    I have open carried in this facility before and was carrying when I met with the owner to coordinate this event. I'll be carrying Monday evening. Who wants to join me?

    Tuesday, 2 October from 1100 to 1300 he will be doing the same thing at the EWU PUB Mall in Cheney. I open carried there last Sunday.

    Before anyone gets offended and says this forum is about carrying handguns, not politics, I say you can't carry a handgun if they have all been taken away. The Republicans had to look long and hard to find someone more anti-gun-rights than McCain, but they found him. Governor Johnson and Judge Gray are offering you a choice. Take it.
    I'd be there but I'm over in the Puget Sound area.

    And I think this is perfectly acceptable to post, thanks for sharing it. I have sent out some communications to the McKenna and Inslee campaigns asking them where they stand on OC, state pre-emption and how they'd plan to react to any attempts to change law in the next session by Seattle/Bellingham and other anti municipalities lobbying to restrict gun rights in the state. When I get some written responses I'll post them up. FYI, both campaigns have said they support current state law as it is, but we'll see if they're willing to put it in writing.

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    Great way to keep Obama in office.
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    Donít reckon Iíll go, but I vote Libertarian or not at all, and have done so for a good many years.
    I voted for Ron Paul the first time, on the Libertarian ticket of 1988!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Great way to keep Obama in office.
    You just keep telling yourself that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    You just keep telling yourself that.
    He's beating that drum pretty hard from the quotes I've seen. For some reason, he doesn't get that a person voting for Johnson wouldn't choose Romney as their next choice. I'd abstain from voting before voting for Romney, because I don't vote against candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    He's beating that drum pretty hard from the quotes I've seen. For some reason, he doesn't get that a person voting for Johnson wouldn't choose Romney as their next choice. I'd abstain from voting before voting for Romney, because I don't vote against candidates.
    But is he entirely incorrect? Libertarians lean more towards the Republican message (message, not necessarily action) than the Democrat platform. As a 'soft' Libertarian myself, I see the Republican Party as people who suck at doing the right thing, whereas I see the Democratic Party as people who deliberately do the wrong thing. I think Johnson will pull from both candidates, but will pull more votes from Romney than Obama.

    I will be voting for Romney. I have nothing against people who vote for Johnson. I just don't think it is practical at this stage. I think if we want a Libertarian-minded government, we should focus our efforts more on changing our culture than electing Libertarian candidates. It's a fact that Gary Johnson will not win. It's a fact that third party candidates pull from the other two parties. If we accept that he will pull more votes from Romney than Obama, then we are subtracting votes from Romney, and thus assuring Obama's victory.

    I don't think our country is ready for libertarianism (made-up word?). It took about a century to get us to the state we are in now. We need to start moving ourselves back as a culture before we try to elect a full on libertarian like Gary Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    He's beating that drum pretty hard from the quotes I've seen.
    Hey it takes a lot of self-convincing to justify something so distasteful as choosing a flip flopping, gun grabbing, scumbag for president.


    Quote Originally Posted by Vigil View Post
    Libertarians lean more towards the Republican message (message, not necessarily action) than the Democrat platform.
    Not true. Each team claims the freedom party steals their votes. But the truth is both parties are pretty even when it comes to rights stealing IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Great way to keep Obama in office.
    WA State is going to the Dems in the presidental race no matter if we vote for Romney or Johnson. Atleast on this part of the ballot we don't even get the choice between a giant ****** or a **** sandwhich.

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    In my opinion, this is the perfect time to vote a 3rd party candidate. Neither two paery candidate is going to do anything different except, select a different set of folks to pay off with bail-outs or new rules. Left hand or right hand doesn't matter when they are both attached to the same rotting corpse.


    edit:Scratch doing a write-in, it is basically a blank vote, guess I get to decide whether I can stomach voting for Johnson/Gray or not

    RCW 29A.60.021
    Write-in voting — declaration of candidacy — counting of vote.

    (1) For any office, except precinct committee officer, at any election or primary, any voter may write in on the ballot the name of any person for an office who has filed as a write-in candidate for the office in the manner provided by RCW 29A.24.311 and such vote shall be counted the same as if the name had been printed on the ballot and marked by the voter. No write-in vote made for any person who has not filed a declaration of candidacy pursuant to RCW 29A.24.311 is valid if that person filed for the same office, either as a regular candidate or a write-in candidate, at the preceding primary. Any abbreviation used to designate office or position will be accepted if the canvassing board can determine, to its satisfaction, the voter's intent.

    (2) The number of write-in votes cast for each office must be recorded and reported with the canvass for the election.

    (3) A write-in vote for an individual candidate for an office whose name appears on the ballot for that same office is a valid vote for that candidate as long as the candidate's name is clearly discernible, even if other requirements of RCW 29A.24.311 are not satisfied and even if the voter also marked a vote for that candidate such as to register an overvote. These votes need not be tabulated unless: (a) The difference between the number of votes cast for the candidate apparently qualified to appear on the general election ballot or elected and the candidate receiving the next highest number of votes is less than the sum of the total number of write-in votes cast for the office plus the overvotes and undervotes recorded by the vote tabulating system; or (b) a manual recount is conducted for that office.

    (4) Write-in votes cast for an individual candidate for an office whose name does not appear on the ballot need not be tallied unless the total number of write-in votes and undervotes recorded by the vote tabulation system for the office is greater than the number of votes cast for the candidate apparently qualified to appear on the general election ballot or elected.

    (5) In the case of write-in votes for a statewide office or any office whose jurisdiction encompasses more than one county, write-in votes for an individual candidate must be tallied when the county auditor is notified by either the secretary of state or another county auditor in the multicounty jurisdiction that it appears that the write-in votes must be tabulated under the terms of this section. In all other cases, the county auditor determines when write-in votes must be tabulated. Any abstract of votes must be modified to reflect the tabulation and certified by the canvassing board. Tabulation of write-in votes may be performed simultaneously with a recount.
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    Like it or not,

    Since 1972 how many electoral votes have been cast for a libertarian? 1
    Since 1972 how many seats in the U.S. House of Representatives 0
    Since 1972 how many seats in the U.S. Senate results 0
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...ited_States%29

    Essentially a vote cast for any other then someone having a chance to win, is just throwing away vote and vote for the status quo, Obama.

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    If enough people vote Libertarian eventually they will qualify for federal matching funds, and if the Supreme Court ever strikes down public law 62-5, which violates the 14th amendment by making voters in Wyoming get more representation than voters in California and doesn't allow for net growth since tiny states can never lose their last Representative, then the house of reps will be suddenly and catastrophically unlocked from 425 to something like 1500+ and hopefully the two mainstream parties won't be able to lock up all those seats. It would be the legitimate entrance of 3rd parties into congress and into the presidential race. Of course, there's always the fear that SCOTUS will say "well, it's unconstitutional but due to the vague and implied separation of powers we will let the legislature regulate itself even if its illegal." Hope it doesn't come to that though.
    As residents of WA you are all harmed by public law 62-5 and all have recourse to sue the government over it.

    So vote for your gun-rights and be proud of it I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Like it or not,

    Since 1972 how many electoral votes have been cast for a libertarian? 1
    Since 1972 how many seats in the U.S. House of Representatives 0
    Since 1972 how many seats in the U.S. Senate results 0
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...ited_States%29

    Essentially a vote cast for any other then someone having a chance to win, is just throwing away vote and vote for the status quo, Obama.

    Don't hate the messenger, hate the game.
    If you really didn't vote for someone if they didn't have a chance you wouldn't vote for Romney. He doesn't have a prayer. I haven't seen a single poll he was leading in.

    A vote for Romney is a wasted vote. It's a white flag of surrender. It's giving up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vigil View Post
    But is he entirely incorrect? Libertarians lean more towards the Republican message (message, not necessarily action) than the Democrat platform. As a 'soft' Libertarian myself, I see the Republican Party as people who suck at doing the right thing, whereas I see the Democratic Party as people who deliberately do the wrong thing. I think Johnson will pull from both candidates, but will pull more votes from Romney than Obama.

    I will be voting for Romney. I have nothing against people who vote for Johnson. I just don't think it is practical at this stage. I think if we want a Libertarian-minded government, we should focus our efforts more on changing our culture than electing Libertarian candidates. It's a fact that Gary Johnson will not win. It's a fact that third party candidates pull from the other two parties. If we accept that he will pull more votes from Romney than Obama, then we are subtracting votes from Romney, and thus assuring Obama's victory.

    I don't think our country is ready for libertarianism (made-up word?). It took about a century to get us to the state we are in now. We need to start moving ourselves back as a culture before we try to elect a full on libertarian like Gary Johnson.

    *hides from flames*
    Eh, no need to flame. Romney is a terrible candidate, who would institute authoritarian policy under the guise of his version of moral good and would sign any law that he thought would earn him political points. Obama is merely a bad candidate, who backs out on some of his more extreme views (in both directions, for better or worse) in order to maintain a more moderate platform. Johnson is an honest candidate worth my vote, so he gets it.

    I'm hoping we can eventually get parts of this country, then the whole thing, to move to IRV or similar and eliminate this first past the pole nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Essentially a vote cast for any other then someone having a chance to win, is just throwing away vote and vote for the status quo, Obama.

    Don't hate the messenger, hate the game.
    Enough people putting off that which is required until the odds of success seem favorable to them only serves to ensure that the odds will remain unfavorable and postpone that which is required from being accomplished.

    I don't hate messengers, but I am somewhat ashamed of those who recognize the problem yet still resign themselves to supporting and perpetuating it.

    All the status quo demands is a lack of bravery from those who recognize the problem. There are plenty enough, it seems, to keep things as they are.

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    In Canada the progressive Consevative (your main steam progressive republician equiv) sho themselves in the foot and pretty much died as a party. Then the Liberals (democrat equiv) got in and the electorate figured out the PC and the Libs were basicly the same...the PC no longer exists as a party..several conservative parties joined forces (would be like the ron Paul republicians, the constitutional party and the libertarians, they call themselves "conservative" again but not "progressive conservative" and have been elected to run Canada. One of the first things they did was revoke the stupid long gun registartion program...BTW: anybody noticed what the Canadian dollar has been doing against the US dollar lately? The market likes this new party.

    My Wife and I will be voting for Gary Jophnson personally. I would really like Gary to win WA...don't know if it is possible, but like Ross P. back a few years ago,,,it is not impossible as Gary will take votes from both the democrats and teh republocrats...I'm soory, I do not trust Mitt or OB.

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    Dave are there any more plans for them coming to the wet side? I have been super busy but will make time if they make it this way again.


    I laugh at those who vote "against" a candidate. That's how Hitler one. I won't vote for a Hitler over a Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Dave are there any more plans for them coming to the wet side? I have been super busy but will make time if they make it this way again.


    I laugh at those who vote "against" a candidate. That's how Hitler one. I won't vote for a Hitler over a Stalin.
    When it is all said and done we will be left with one of the two in office and voting for someone at this stage that does not have a chance to be a challenger is just wasteful.
    I am not suggesting that others support they believe in but at least be in the game with players that have a chance. If you are siding with Libertarian then work on getting them into local office, state, house or senate as the record thus far is not worth mentioning.
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    The Free Staters have the right idea but that is not working out so well either.

    Nothing will change until enough people decide to make it change. Right now we have about 28% hard core Democrats and about an equal number of Republicans. That other 44-45% are independents that are looking for an alternative that unfortunately is not here yet. All the Independents need is a leader that can capture their interest sorta like Jessie Ventura did several years ago when he became Governor. As much as I like Johnson he can not win and that is unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Dave are there any more plans for them coming to the wet side? I have been super busy but will make time if they make it this way again.
    No plans that I know of, but if anything happens it will be posted on http://lpwa.org/, http://www.meetup.com/SeattleLibertarians/, and probably http://www.meetup.com/NW-Washington-...-Meetup-Group/.
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    The Socialist Party never got anyone elected as president and I don;t think they had anyone in Congress. But 100 - 120 years ago they were getting votes. Enough that the Ds and Rs took note, and started chasing those votes. Finally the Socialist party collapsed, saying they had no reason to exist because the Ds and Rs had enacted the whole Socialist platform.

    If you won't vote for what you want, don't be surprised if you don't get what you want. If you vote for what you don't want, don't be surprised if you get it. Those who voted for McCain four years ago got what they voted for; higher taxes, perpetual involvement in the Mideast, more government involvement in healthcare, etc. Worse yet, those who voted for McCain only encouraged the Rs to run Romney this time. How's that working for you?

    Governor Johnson won't take many votes from Romney. By pretending to be a fiscal conservative Romney will take votes from Governor Johnson. Romney hasn't even identified his real threat.. He needs to watch the Socialist Workers, Socialism & Liberation, and Justice Party parties
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwordinger View Post
    The Socialist Party never got anyone elected as president and I don;t think they had anyone in Congress. But 100 - 120 years ago they were getting votes. Enough that the Ds and Rs took note, and started chasing those votes. Finally the Socialist party collapsed, saying they had no reason to exist because the Ds and Rs had enacted the whole Socialist platform.

    If you won't vote for what you want, don't be surprised if you don't get what you want. If you vote for what you don't want, don't be surprised if you get it. Those who voted for McCain four years ago got what they voted for; higher taxes, perpetual involvement in the Mideast, more government involvement in healthcare, etc. Worse yet, those who voted for McCain only encouraged the Rs to run Romney this time. How's that working for you?

    Governor Johnson won't take many votes from Romney. By pretending to be a fiscal conservative Romney will take votes from Governor Johnson. Romney hasn't even identified his real threat.. He needs to watch the Socialist Workers, Socialism & Liberation, and Justice Party parties
    This is getting or has gotten as bad as the propaganda we hear in the elections of twisting and turning to read as they wish.
    You wrote "Those who voted for McCain four years ago got what they voted for" as to who ? What Libertarian even came near getting 1 electoral vote? Who, I can't hear you! It is the ones who did not vote and those who voted for a party and had no chance of getting into office just so they could sit back and say I didn't vote for either one! There votes were wasted, who listened to one non democratic or republican vote, how did any of the non votes were listened to? what impact have they made expect for putting Obama into office.
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    The people who honestly agree with the way Romney's has governed and WANT a big government machine... Those people voting for Romney doesn't bother me a bit. Vote for the guy that is going to give you the way of life you want. It's the people that would rather have Gary Johnson as president, but are afraid to go against the popular kids that make me sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    This is getting or has gotten as bad as the propaganda we hear in the elections of twisting and turning to read as they wish.
    You wrote "Those who voted for McCain four years ago got what they voted for" as to who ? What Libertarian even came near getting 1 electoral vote? Who, I can't hear you! It is the ones who did not vote and those who voted for a party and had no chance of getting into office just so they could sit back and say I didn't vote for either one! There votes were wasted, who listened to one non democratic or republican vote, how did any of the non votes were listened to? what impact have they made expect for putting Obama into office.

    The only propaganda is the one made that your vote is "wasted" if you don't vote for you guy.

    Amusing how people get upset at those who don't vote because it goes against their "zealous religion" like protection of their system, but then will get upset when people vote their conscience and truly vote for the better guy, who happens not be one of the major two fascists running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwordinger View Post
    No plans that I know of, but if anything happens it will be posted on http://lpwa.org/, http://www.meetup.com/SeattleLibertarians/, and probably http://www.meetup.com/NW-Washington-...-Meetup-Group/.

    Thank you I downloaded the app for my phone but for some reason I am not getting the push notifications and missed the last couple meets.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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