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PFZ repeal or Registration Repeal

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TheQ

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Let's assume you can only get one, what one do you pick? Discuss…

Keep in mind, there are others that will believe open carry in a pistol free zone is "absurd". Also keep in mind that these others are judges.

On the reverse, keep in mind some municipalities make it difficult to get a purchase permit by adding illegal requirements and/or practices.
 
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Get rid of registration, If we have to register, it's a privilege to own, not a right. I'd like to have the right to own a handgun
Plus, getting rid of registration saves the state money, in addition to those who buy a handgun.
 

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I guess I need to brush up again on the benefits of registration repeal... I'm unsure how they will keep guns away from felons and crazies without it. Is there still going to be a required background check and such?


Anyways, I'll be selfish and want PFZs gone first. :p
 

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Get rid of PFZ, or should I say "Criminal Empowerment Zones". The mere thought of having to enter an area without my sidearm makes me shudder. As much of a pain as registration is (Not saying getting rid of that would be great) I would rather fill out paperwork from time to time as opposed to being mugged/robbed/killed because I couldn't defend myself or my wife while going to see a movie or having dinner at a local bar. Ever visit anyone at St. Johns hospital after 11PM? You need an escort to the parking garage some evenings.

Not sure what year guns and/or gun parts were banned on airplanes, but I remember bringing parts (Magazines, barrel, recoil spring and lower slide) in my carry on and the slide and ammo went into my checked bags which were locked and secured. Never had a problem before. Now my 80 mother can't bring a knitting needle onboard :(

PFZs do nothing but ensure that honest citizens have no way of protecting themselves while they are in those areas.

just my $.02

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Since registration leads to confiscation, but I can choose to avoid PFZ's, it would be better overall to get rid of registration.

Confiscation can only be accomplished by prying out of cold dead hands.

I suppose I could choose not to visit a sick and dying relative in the hospital but there is really no alternative. I could also choose not to send the kids to school but that opens up a whole other can of worms. Sometimes PFZs are unavoidable.
 

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Confiscation can only be accomplished by prying out of cold dead hands.

I suppose I could choose not to visit a sick and dying relative in the hospital but there is really no alternative. I could also choose not to send the kids to school but that opens up a whole other can of worms. Sometimes PFZs are unavoidable.

I agree with the bolded. However, Im not just talking about the United States, although confiscations have also happened here. As far as schools go, you can still carry there, as long as you have a CPL from this or another state and are a resident here. Hospitals are hit or miss.

Most who speak of "cold dead hands" won't back it up when push comes to shove. The .gov know this all too well, which is why they do what they do.
 
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What kind of BS question is this? First off, why would we only need to choose 1. Second, why do you intentionally lead people into answering the way you want?
 

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PFZ repeal only if it is "complete"...ie no further training needed;no waiting until a renewal; applies to all CPL holders; etc. Otherwise registration repeal. I think both could successfully be challenged as unconstitutional and if anyone is actually charged with either, I would suggest that they fight the charges all the way to SCOTUS if needed.
 

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Looking at it this way....

Most, and at times all, the establishments listed in 28.425o are private property. Even with a repeal, the owner(s) can still prohibit weapons/firearms...no sign required in Michigan. Repeal of registration on the other hand, we'll lose a couple of benefits (most likely) such as the CC (on foot and in car) of Mi Pistols, grandfathered in before the first of the year and the ability, for CPL holders, to carry/possess another's legally owned pistol.

My choice would be, as DrTodd stated:

DrTodd
PFZ repeal only if it is "complete"...ie no further training needed;no waiting until a renewal; applies to all CPL holders; etc.
 

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What kind of BS question is this? First off, why would we only need to choose 1. Second, why do you intentionally lead people into answering the way you want?

Political reality I'm hearing is because of the Governor, you may only get one (if we're lucky). So, choose.

In the OP, I stated my own opinion and why I choose one.
 

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Political reality I'm hearing is because of the Governor, you may only get one (if we're lucky). So, choose.

In the OP, I stated my own opinion and why I choose one.

But you asked a question, then led people to answer the way you wanted because MOC is supporting 1 bill and not the other. How about adding to the OP - "keep in mind some people can not even buy a pistol because they owe parking tickets". or "some people have to take 2 days off work just to apply for a PP and then to go pick it up after an illegal waiting period".

I just can't imagine MLK saying "ok guys, we can either get equal voting rights or end school segregation, pick 1".

the good citizens of MI don't deserve to be forced to choose only 1 of our rights to gain back, we deserve them all.

So the other day at the republican diner you said you were being told that snyder was blocking both bills, are you now being told he is willing to let 1 go through?
 
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But you asked a question, then led people to answer the way you wanted because MOC is supporting 1 bill and not the other. How about adding to the OP - "keep in mind some people can not even buy a pistol because they owe parking tickets". or "some people have to take 2 days off work just to apply for a PP and then to go pick it up after an illegal waiting period".

As you wish, OP updated.
 

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So the other day at the republican diner you said you were being told that snyder was blocking both bills, are you now being told he is willing to let 1 go through?

Scuttlebutt is he isn't a fan of registration repeal because it would enable private party sales of pistols w/o a background check. Scuttlebutt goes on to say he may let SB 59 go through as a pacifier to gun owners.
 

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Scuttlebutt is he isn't a fan of registration repeal because it would enable private party sales of pistols w/o a background check. Scuttlebutt goes on to say he may let SB 59 go through as a pacifier to gun owners.

Good, registration is a pain at times. However it does not affect me on a day to day basis like PFZ's do. So that sounds good to me.
 
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