Aurora is coming back to haunt us~
I hope that it belongs in this sub-forum.
IMHO, this is an example of why those interested in preserving freedom cannot ignore many of the smaller infringements as they all add up. How many potential constitutional violations and natural rights violations can be tallied from this article alone?Asked about Constitutional concerns, and the need for probable cause, Parks says the recent wave of crime is the probable cause and justifies the extreme new measures.
“Vehicles that are moving will be stopped and searched for guns, weapons, drugs, and open alcohol and any other violations that are taking place,” Parks later told KMOX’s Mark Reardon. “People who are walking, people who are bicycling, can be stopped and searched for the same and, when it comes to state IDs, we’re going to be confirming that state IDs are in place for everyone involved.”
St. Louis? Not at all surprising that "the authorities" are trying SOMEHOW to control all the low-life street-trash that lives there.
Good idea...it may have to do until something a whole lot more effective can be implemented.
And here I thought cesspool Camden, NJ was "the most dangerous city" in America...
Compared to East St. Louis, Illinois, St. Louis, Missouri is Lake Woebegone.
I doubt that any of this will actually be enforced given that it would so obviously pierce the cops' qualified immunity that they'd all end up living under the I-70 bridge when the lawsuits were done.
There's a big difference between ordering something and having those orders obeyed when to do so could keep the ones obeying the orders from feeding their families and paying their mortgages.
--- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.
Yes, my apologies for thinking it was elsewhere, but when you see "St. Louis" you automatically (and naturally) think St. Louis, MO. And "East St. Louis" may have been the worst part of that OTHER St. Louis.
Whatever, is there really that much of a difference between the 2 places re: crime statistics?
Does East St. Louis, IL, have more or higher-quality street-trash teenage punks than St. Louis, MO, does?
Again, I thought Camden, NJ, was the winner there.
What do these 3 places have in common that would account for their serious crime problem, in this case, "virtual house arrest" for minors proposed for East St. Louis, IL? What are these "minors" (term used loosely) doing that's so bad/different than most other cities in the nation to bring a response like "house arrest" about? Where are the so-called "parents" -- any input from them about this?
@JmE: Don't walk away -- that's easy -- tell us YOUR solution to the problem.
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East Saint Louis is just fine, a great vacation get-a-way for the family.
Just bring plenty of body armor.
Its a crap whole. Super crap hole. Like NYC
But even given that, you cannot just stop and search people for being in E. St. Louis ... otherwise every city in the US and people who live or go through them can be searched.
Just goes to show you: cops cannot stop crime. They don't want to confront criminals (who would ?). I know many cops who pretend their radios don't work when calls to ghettos are announced.
To be in that town at night when the temp. is above 80°F is asking for it.
1. East St. Louis sounds like it is in need of a new mayor. That one obviously does not plan to honor his oath of office.
2. Instead of just holding the teenagers responsible for their criminal activities, start holding their parents equally responsible. It's been a long time since I had a teenager in the house, but, when I did, the Army held me, her sponsor, responsible for her actions as well as holding her responsible.
3. I have long said that, upon conviction, the best thing that could happen to some of these little gangster wannabe types is to be bent over a sawhorse, their britches (already half falling off) and undershorts dropped around their ankles, and the biggest bailiff or deputy sheriff available handed an old-fashioned razor strop. Said razor strop should then be forcefully applied to the seat of learning. Were this to be done at high noon outside the county courthouse, I believe you would see a rapid reduction in crime.
Before someone says that would be child abuse, let me say that not teaching a child that there are consequences for his/her actions is far more abusive.
4. No LEO in his/her right mind and with even a rudimentary knowledge of the law is going to enforce this mayor's edict.
"Happiness is a warm shotgun!!"
"I am neither a pessimist nor a cynic. I am, rather, a realist."
"The most dangerous things I've ever encountered were a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass and a Private who was bored and had time on his hands."
"Said razor strop should then be forcefully applied to the seat of learning." -- SFCRetired
And afterwards we'd hear something akin to:
"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach." -- The Captain ("Cool Hand Luke" 1967)
...and then promptly putting the guy back into his chain-gang leg-irons and getting back to asphalting the road -- on a sunny and really HOT Summer day.
Works for me.
Last edited by cloudcroft; 09-28-2012 at 10:15 PM.
I have a sudden urge to go to E. St Luis in the brightest shades I can find and see what happens. Good luck arresting me cause you don't like the color of my shirt. Can you say resisting arrest with extreme prejudice? I knew you could. Im not one to go looking for a fight but this REALLY pisses me off. This guy needs to be kicked out of office Ricky f'in Tick and any officer who obeys him should be prosecuted and sued to the fullest extent of the law.
Lmao, what would they do if I sewed a red and blue shirt together and made them into one? Arrest me twice? Maybe the sight of me having big giant balls like that would make some heads explode.
You'd lose...but at least you'd die tryin' -- right?
BTW...isn't killing mustangs illegal? Animal cruelty at the very least? Please explain...
Last edited by cloudcroft; 09-28-2012 at 11:38 PM.
If law enforcement is going to violate the supreme law of the land then they are criminals just the same.
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"Minors don't have rights"
It's absolute ********, but it is what it is until we change it. I agree with, and support your right as parents to assert full and exclusive parental authority over your children. Government be damned.
obedience" program, despite having zero authority to make travelers comply. A Wisconsin Judge announced we have "no fundamental right to choose" the food we consume, Bloomberg banned soda over a certain size, and now curfews are being set.
Anyone that looks at the world today and denies we are in an ACTIVE police state is not being honest with themselves.
Haha the mayor read my post
It is good to see that me might actually have at least a tiny bit of sense.
"I support the ban on assault weapons" - Donald Trump
We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission - Ayn Rand
You don't want to beat these kids...neither do I. But as a society we had better find a way to handle them. We have a huge group of teens coming up that fear no authority whatsoever and have been taught even fewer morals. Their mommies and daddies were either apathetic or told that if they yelled at their child or god forbid spanked the child that they were abusing them. Their teachers were forbidden by the school to even out them in time out. So we have a scary scenario developing here.
Do these teens show up at the deputies house that tazed them.....I have not heard of that.
There was a story on the news tonight from one of the St. Louis, MO TV stations that Delaware has made it official: to spank your child will now be a felony!