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    Governor Brown Signs AB527 Into Law - Long Gun OC Prohibition Effective January 2013

    http://gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=17766


    9-28-2012

    SACRAMENTO – Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. today announced that he has signed the following bills:

    • AB 276 by Assemblymember Luis Alejo (D-Salinas) – Central Coast Hospital Authority.
    • AB 377 by Assemblymember Jose Solorio (D-Santa Ana) – Pharmacy.
    • AB 1277 by Assemblymember Jerry Hill (D-South San Francisco) – Sherman Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Law.
    • AB 1442 by Assemblymember Bob Wieckowski (D-Fremont) – Pharmaceutical waste.
    • AB 1486 by Assemblymember Ricardo Lara (D-South Gate) – California Environmental Quality Act: exemption: Los Angeles Regional Interoperable Communications System.
    • AB 1527 by Assemblymember Anthony Portantino (D-Pasadena) – Firearms.
    • AB 1559 by Assemblymember Anthony Portantino (D-Pasadena) – Firearms.
    • AB 1674 by Assemblymember Fiona Ma (D-San Francisco) – Child custody: visitation.
    • AB 1782 by Assemblymember Jerry Hill (D-South San Francisco) – Weighmasters: exemptions.
    • AB 1929 by Assemblymember Jeff Gorell (R-Camarillo) – Elections: casting ballots.
    • AB 1953 by Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) – Rental housing: tenant notice.
    • AB 2131 by Assemblymember Kristin Olsen (R-Modesto) – Local government: tax collectors: continuing education.
    • AB 2221 by Assemblymember Marty Block (D-San Diego) – Public records.
    • AB 2253 by Assemblymember Richard Pan (D-Sacramento) – Clinical laboratory test results: electronic conveyance.
    • AB 2356 by Assemblymember Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) – Tissue donation.
    • AB 2386 by Assemblymember Michael Allen (D-Santa Rosa) – Employment and housing discrimination: sex: breastfeeding.
    • AB 2440 by Assemblymember Bonnie Lowenthal (D-Long Beach) – Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority: contracting.
    • AB 2489 by Assemblymember Isadore Hall III (D-Los Angeles) – Vehicles: license plates: obstruction or alteration.
    • AB 2515 by Assemblymember Isadore Hall III (D-Los Angeles) – Indian gaming: local agencies. A signing message can be found here.
    • SB 1094 by Senator Christine Kehoe (D-San Diego) – Land use: mitigation lands: nonprofit organizations.
    • SB 1105 by Senator Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) – Workers' compensation: liens.
    • SB 1195 by Senator Curren Price (D-Los Angeles) – Audits of pharmacy benefits.
    • SB 1217 by Senator Bob Dutton (R-Inland Empire) – State hospitals: Patton State Hospital.
    • SB 1280 by Senator Fran Pavley (D-Agoura Hills) – Public contracts: University of California and community college districts: competitive bidding: best value.
    • SB 1329 by Senator Joe Simitian (D-Palo Alto) – Prescription drugs: collection and distribution program.
    • SB 1341 by Senator Lois Wolk (D-Davis) – Corporation Tax Law: charitable corporations: exemptions: revocation.
    • SB 1367 by Senator Jean Fuller (R-Bakersfield) – Deer: archery season: concealed firearms.

    The Governor also announced that he has vetoed the following bills:

    • AB 1145 by Assemblymember Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) – Workers' compensation: permanent disability benefits. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 1454 by Assemblymember Jose Solorio (D-Santa Ana) – Workers' compensation: audiologists. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 1687 by Assemblymember Paul Fong (D-Mountain View) – Workers' compensation. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 2333 by Assemblymember Jose Solorio (D-Santa Ana) – BB devices. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 2460 by Assemblymember Roger Dickinson (D-Sacramento) – Firearms. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 2493 by Assemblymember Roger Hernαndez (D-Baldwin Park) – Workers' compensation: administrative hearings and medical examinations and treatments: interpreters. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 2638 by Assemblymember Mike Eng (D-Monterey Park) – State government: fiscal affairs. A veto message can be found here.
    • AB 2672 by the Committee on Jobs, Economic Development, and the Economy – Procurement omnibus bill. A veto message can be found here.
    • SB 336 by Senator Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) – Emergency room crowding. A veto message can be found here.
    • SB 419 by Senator Joe Simitian (D-Palo Alto) – Solid waste: home-generated sharps. A veto message can be found here.
    • SB 1002 by Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) – Public records: electronic format. A veto message can be found here.
    • SB 1366 by Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-Concord) – Firearms: lost or stolen: reports. A veto message can be found here.

    For full text of the bills, visit: http://leginfo.ca.gov/bilinfo.html.
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    Urban Long Gun Hike coming in early 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Umm....how early were you planning because I think it will be a crime by then.
    As is always, events at SOS are organized around factors such as available funding, weather, and participant or organizer personal schedules. The ban will be in effect in 2013, but it is not a total ban as the media is portraying, or as the legislators who wrote this bill would like to see it interpreted in contrast to what they have written.

    So to answer your question, the one you didn't ask directly, is I don't believe we will be in violation of this law as written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Umm....how early were you planning because I think it will be a crime by then.
    Simple, "The Holder Exception" they should just go to polling places with their long guns to intimidate republican voters.
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    sounds to me like all the people talking about how they were going to open carry handguns after the ban because "there are so many exemptions in the law".

    good luck with your event. make sure to take lots of video.
    You know, I have never quite understood your antagonistic nature, but thankfully I'm not running a personal therapy group. I am in management of a non-profit that has a proven track record of following through on activism though, and there's numerous documentations of that if you care to look.
    And as I recall, there were precious few people saying they were going to exploit the exemptions in 144, so it's not like there was an entire movement suddenly silenced by fear, or exposed as bullsheeters. Plus, it hasn't been all that long since 144 became law.
    I don't mind your naysaying as much as others do here, because running a non-profit requires an inherant tolerance of apprehensive, cynical, and even contrary attitudes, for the whole effort is to educate, support, and include as many citizens as possible. But I do tend to be pretty open during the process, so please forgive me if during that I seem like I'm challenging you too much

    And for the record, I was never a handgun person, so I didn't make the claims in the first place. I'm not against handguns at all, but I've always been a rifleman. I wasn't about to go buying some stuff that I'd never wear. If they passed a ban on hats, I wouldn't wear one just for spite because I'd feel out-of-place everytime I put the damn thing on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post

    The pilgrims didnt stay in Europe and try to change it. They left and made a better life for themself.
    And all they did was postpone things. This country, founded by the children of pilgrims and subjects of the king, ended up back in the same position in short order. eventually they stood their ground instead of moving away.

    the border and immigration is our main battle at SOS, and we're here for you on that too. We see a foreign invasion through several states, and through legal immigration too. I don't see how moving farther away from the battle front helps anything, because your ability to hit the enemy is hindered too. But if you think you've done enough or all that you can already, and you want to live out your remaining years under the best condtions you can, then I wish you the best.

    I don't thave that option. Many of us don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Not too short order. It took over 200 years.

    However, I dont plan on living 200 years so I am looking to enjoy the rest of my life in the best place possible.

    Just out of curiosity, how come you cant move ?
    funds, obligations, family, plans to follow through on, and several other things. This is home too. Worth fighting for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Well in that case I hope you at least live in a good part of California. I was living in Los Angeles.
    I agree with Ca Patriot's statement above and I would like to add: Good luck.

    Gov. Brown has also signed more of the "Dream Act" into law. Illegal alien felons (unconvicted) can now get a CA driver's license--which means they can register to vote online. Illegal aliens now have a legal pathway to vote in our elections. The members of the illegal-alien-tribe only care about their tribal system. They come from a failed culture, and they are now intent on bringing that failed tribal culture to our country. Tribalism and economic freedom don't mix. Tribalism and individual civil liberties don't mix.

    Ca Patriot's conclusions are based on reality. Kalifornia is a lost cause. I will be a refugee of California in a few years.

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    It is no surprise that people are leaving Kalifornia in droves and it is no surprise as to why it is happening. Texas, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, and other states are filling with Kali expats. The problem is a lot of those leaving are taking the ideas that have destroyed California with them. (Not saying anybody on here has done that, just sayin). High crime, high taxes, high cost of living - more benefits to non-citizens than actual citizens, I could go on a while about the things I don't like about California. It is no surprise to me that so many are leaving so quickly. Heck, In and Out Burger, a CA staple made its new HQ in Dallas, Texas! If you think the DPRK is worth saving, good luck to you. I don't envy your task. But a state with such blatant disregard for the Constitutional Rights of its citizens does not deserve a penny of my hard earned money. This particular board has gone dead quiet since AB 144 went into effect. I would like to think that people would at least try to use the exemptions to skirt the UOC handgun ban but thus far I haven't seen or heard of anyone trying. Maybe SCOTUS will force CA and other states to be shall-issue, but I just see CA ignoring it. Good luck down there guys, but maybe its time to consider your own freedom.

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    Ca Patriot -- you make a good point. I guess we have good ol' route 66 to thank for that. I've heard from a lot of CA refugees that it used to be a very nice place to live. I have heard that Sacramento is complaining mightily to states that are taking a lot of CA's people and businesses. lol.

    And I think Brown also just signed a law making it illegal for parents to "straighten" homosexual minors. That state just gets weirder and weirder.

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    Wow, I hope you can find a way to turn things around.

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    Stuck...

    There are a lot of us who simply can't leave, at least not anytime soon. My wife has family here in N. Cali that she can't stand to be separated from again, although we lived in NV for the first year we were together. Being that far from them ate her up. I also have a father further south who is upside down in his home thanks to the housing bubble bursting, so he can't sell and leave unless he leaves empty handed, and he's spent too many years trying to make a life down there, and is too bull headed, to surrender and walk away from it all. Given the choice, when the time comes that he passes away, I would be hard pressed NOT to sell our place and take whatever inheritance I get from him and use it to move my family to Idaho or someplace out of Cali where our civil rights are more respected.

    I've not seen anything on the boards, but does anyone know if any individuals or groups have bothered to file civil liberties law suit against California over these bans?? Since the SCOTUS made their ruling that the 2nd Amendment is an individual liberty, I simply can't comprehend how ANY "infringement" to our right to keep and bear arms by either state OR federal government can be "constitutional"!! Where are all the lawsuits?? I've always known Cali to be one of the most litigious states in the US, with people tending to scream "Oh, my rights!" immediately followed by "Oh, my LAWYERS!"!!

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    Open Carry a Pitchfork

    Is it still legal to carry a pitchfork in California?

    What the California Legislature has constructed is a total ban on bearing arms (except maybe for pitchforks). They cannot hide behind reasonalble regulation. Either the constitution means what it says: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" or it means: "the state may trample your civil rights with impunity."

    The 14th A is quite clear that we live in the former, not the latter.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Yes, you still have the right to carry a pitchfork, but you have to be on private property, you need a permit, the pitchfork must be registered and limited to 3 forks, and standard capacity handle.
    Surely the pitchfork regulations did not overlook detachable tines, heat shields, and pistol-grips?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    so wil pitchfork carry now be considered "on topic" on OCDO?

    Hopefully california has already banned "high capacity cop killer pitchforks" and made sure that our children are safe in "pitchfork free school zones"
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Condolences to constitutional-loving people of California, where a right exercised is a right lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Is it still legal to carry a pitchfork in California?
    Only if its not concealed on the person - otherwise you could get nailed for the concealed dirk/dagger provisions of the PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjones View Post
    Only if its not concealed on the person - otherwise you could get nailed for the concealed dirk/dagger provisions of the PC.
    One charge for each tine on the pitchfork, no doubt.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    all 3 of them, hahaha
    There are a hell of a lot more than 3 of us out here, buddy. The problem isn't the people, it's the idiots running the show and the pretense of counting votes that happens when we try to get rid of them.

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    It is only illegal to carry a pitchfork openly when a torch is also carried, it's not the pitchfork it is the torch that gets folks all nervous. All that other pitchfork stuff is just made up stuff by disgruntled torch toters.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    It is only illegal to carry a pitchfork openly when a torch is also carried, it's not the pitchfork it is the torch that gets folks all nervous. All that other pitchfork stuff is just made up stuff by disgruntled torch toters.
    I wonder what would happen if a pitchfork open carry rally were held in Sacremento. Do you think the gun grabbers would pass a pitchfork ban?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    I wonder what would happen if a pitchfork open carry rally were held in Sacremento. Do you think the gun grabbers would pass a pitchfork ban?
    It would be worth trying just to find out! As California plunges into debt due to failed fiscal policy and other things that matter, the only thing the legislature in California is concerned with is banning things and proposing other feel good measures. Snubbing gun owners and pitchfork users is very high on their agenda.
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    Bad laws

    You guys make fun of our pitchfork laws. As long as you have red/orange colored plastic ends to the pitchfork so the LEO'S can tell it is a non-lethal pitchfork you are good to go. All of the California laws follow a pattern and make sense........ to the idiots that write this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    I guess my naysaying is mostly due to the fact that I consider California a lost cause.

    I dont mean to be against you or anyone on this board.

    In 1994 I wrote a paper for college in which I basically said the politics of California were forever democrat/liberal because of the flood of illegal aliens. For many many years I was very active in the movement to get federal and state politicians to seal the border and deport all illlegal aliens. I felt it was of vital importance to California and eventually the nation.

    I even went to the border myself and for 3 years spent time with citizen groups who defended the borders themselves.

    After it was made clear by the government that they wanted open borders and would spend more time stopping us than the illegal aliens I left.

    In 2006 I decided it wasnt worth the fight anymore and instead of paying the highest taxes in the world, being surrounded by people who dont english and losing all of my constitutional rights, I left California and moved to another state.

    When people on this board talk about or ask us to "call, email or write" our CA politicians to stop losing our rights I just laugh. It hasnt worked and it wont work.

    California is a LOST CAUSE because there are too many voters in this state who dont stand for what I stand for. That simple math CANT BE OVERCOME.

    I now live in a state where my tax burden is almost nill, I have more gun rights than any other state in America, everyone speaks english and is a citizen, there is no crime and I hunt and fish almost everyday.

    I love it.

    If you truely want to change things in California I have no idea how to do it within the confines of the law and reality.

    Short of a civil war there isnt much a person can do.

    The pilgrims didnt stay in Europe and try to change it. They left and made a better life for themself.
    I guess you live in Kentucky then?
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    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined."-Patrick Henry; speaking of protecting the rights of an armed citizenry.

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    So long gun open carry before it's banned?

    Any plans of any events prior to the ban ? Not seen anything in california for ages
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