The problem is that current Oklahoma law will allow LEO to ask for your permit without any RAS of a crime. Although that is a 4A violation, until it is challenged in court, current law allows for it.
Got it. Thanks for bringing me up to date.
So, fill in the rest of the picture as far as learning goes. So, the cop can ask for the permit?
Unless the statute makes express provision for temporary seizure for officer safety, I would argue strenuously against such seizure. SCOTUS case law allows search and temporary seizure of a weapon only with RAS during a foot encounter as far as I know. Terry v Ohio. Car stops are different. See PA v Mimms; in Mimms the court equated guns with dangerousness and permit seizure of the gun just because there is one present.
I would also be completely ready for any stretching of consent and badgering, or labels of being uncooperative for exercising 5A right to silence.
What is the recording law in OK? How about the federal circuit that covers OK?
You get my point. Look it over from a hundred angles and be ready to show greater knowledge than the cops at the townhall meeting.
I don't expect you to do this next, but I would. I would laugh in their faces if they gave me any idea they were going to check permits just for the sake of checking a permit without other RAS. It may be legal, but I would show them to be anti-rights thugs who just want to harass OCers if they plan on stopping OCers just to check the permit. Bwhahahahahahahaha! Big tough cops got nothing better to do than harass law-abiding citizens on the off-chance of catching one without a permit! Bwahahahahahahaha!! That sort of thing. If they didn't give me the idea, I would ask. And, then I would make it clear that I would be recording any encounter and every single mistake made by the cop would become the subject of a formal written complaint for internal affairs. Remember, this is new ground for cops and they're not terribly likely to have run into the organized determination other PD's have.
Of course, another OCer can play the good cop routine while I play the bad, threatening cop. Another OCer can say he wants to be friends and make things go smooth and so forth.
Oh, and be ready for the great police lie. "We don't want these to be adversarial encounters." HA! He's lying. He absolutely wants it to be an adversarial encounter. He's going to be investigating you for the crime of OCing without a permit. That is definitely an adversarial encounter. What he wants if for
you to not be adversarial while he is being adversarial.