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    New OC rules begin next Saturday

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    This post is another CHILDRENS story that only some will understand and much is written in the white space between the lines.

    It's that time of year again! The season of the witch when empty words take on a magic aura and can change reality.

    Politicians that chant meaningless verbiage all year, suddenly become leaders or mere citizens...based on the strength of their words.

    Organizations whose strength is in numbers, suddenly have more followers, or fewer, based on the strength of their words.

    During this time an odd set of laws take effect. A large segment of society lose the ability to carry firearms except on Sunday.
    It's based on this incantation:
    "There was NO way to carry a gun at all for self-defense while hunting and we fixed that "

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    Ok...I am game....what are you talking about? I don't hunt yet, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Please educate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    Ok...I am game....what are you talking about? I don't hunt yet, but I have no idea what you are talking about. Please educate.
    My annual rant but this year I'm a little more PO'ed than normal.

    During bow and muzzle loading season, you cannot carry a handgun for self defense unless you have a CHP.

    A strange thing about that for some of us is that we can carry a handgun concealed if we want because we hunt on our own farms which is our own place of employment...but come October 6th, that changes until ML season goes out in November.

    This goes a lot deeper but that is the reality for those of us that spend 12 months out of the year, shooting muzzle loaders and bows along with our conventional firearms. We will have a bow or a muzzle loader with us every day except Sunday until the season goes out.

    Is this an OC issue? Damn Skippy it is. OC doesn't stop at the Burb line.
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    Valid Concealed Handgun Permit Holders May:

    • Possess a concealed handgun during archery seasons, muzzleloader seasons, and general firearms seasons.
    • Possess a concealed handgun on National Forest and Department lands during the closed season.
    • Possess and transport a loaded concealed handgun in or on any vehicle on National Forest and Department lands.
    • Possess a concealed handgun while using dogs for tracking wounded or dead bear or deer but no game may be taken.



    It's not like folks without CHP's don't need their handguns to defend themselves.

    Apparently some consider CHP holder's in higher esteem.
    I'm allowed to carry in the Piggley Wiggley year round but can't be trusted to carry or not to kill game with my personal defense sidearm during Bow/ML season... go figure.

    It would appear that some believe the right to personal defense only pertains to some folks during cetain times of the year.
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    Since I became a VA resident I thought this loophole was unfair. That being said I dont bow hunt, but during muzzeloader, my self-defense tool becomes a 50 caliber fire breathing dragon and Im NEVER undergunned

    That being said what you got for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 627PCFan View Post
    Since I became a VA resident I thought this loophole was unfair. That being said I dont bow hunt, but during muzzeloader, my self-defense tool becomes a 50 caliber fire breathing dragon and Im NEVER undergunned
    Until you find yourself in a situation that can't be remedied in a single shot....

    Roscoe
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by 627PCFan View Post
    Since I became a VA resident I thought this loophole was unfair. That being said I dont bow hunt, but during muzzeloader, my self-defense tool becomes a 50 caliber fire breathing dragon and Im NEVER undergunned

    That being said what you got for us?
    Or your primer gets wet or a mainspring breaks or a cap fragment plugs the hole or a million other things. Stopping an animal at close range is not the same as killing one at longer range.

    There are poachers to deal with and if you get hurt and have to signal for help, te prescribed way is in 3 shot bursts. Remember, cell phones don't work everywhere including my farm.

    I haven't got anything for you other than those are the facts. How we deal with it is up to the individual.

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    Friend of mine specifically got a CHP, just because he was planning to go bear hunting with a muzzle loader. You don't want to be in a situation where your one muzzle loaded shot just made the bear angry at you, and you've got nothing else to shoot.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Friend of mine specifically got a CHP, just because he was planning to go bear hunting with a muzzle loader. You don't want to be in a situation where your one muzzle loaded shot just made the bear angry at you, and you've got nothing else to shoot.

    TFred
    I hope he took the hunter safety course instead of a CHP class. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

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    P4P Muzzleloader Style

    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Notice
    This post is another CHILDRENS story that only some will understand and much is written in the white space between the lines.

    It's that time of year again! The season of the witch when empty words take on a magic aura and can change reality.

    Politicians that chant meaningless verbiage all year, suddenly become leaders or mere citizens...based on the strength of their words.

    Organizations whose strength is in numbers, suddenly have more followers, or fewer, based on the strength of their words.

    During this time an odd set of laws take effect. A large segment of society lose the ability to carry firearms except on Sunday.
    It's based on this incantation:
    "There was NO way to carry a gun at all for self-defense while hunting and we fixed that "
    Come on Peter. We all know that this is another P4P scheme with unintended consequences.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Come on Peter. We all know that this is another P4P scheme with unintended consequences.
    If it's got four feet, a black body and a white stripe down it's back and stinks.....It's probably a skunk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    If it's got four feet, a black body and a white stripe down it's back and stinks.....It's probably a skunk!
    It has been my experience that the smelliest skunks only have 2 legs.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    "Until you find yourself in a situation that can't be remedied in a single shot...."

    Dangerous game hunting in VA?

    I guess Bear hunting counts, maybe but they arent that big

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    Quote Originally Posted by 627PCFan View Post
    "Until you find yourself in a situation that can't be remedied in a single shot...."

    Dangerous game hunting in VA?

    I guess Bear hunting counts, maybe but they arent that big
    Don't forget the most dangerous foe, the 2 legged skunk.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by 627PCFan View Post

    I guess Bear hunting counts, maybe but they arent that big
    You are kidding me?



    This track belongs to one of my bears that is somewhere around 600 pounds.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    Don't forget the most dangerous foe, the 2 legged skunk.
    Yeah....but 2 legged skunks and Starbucks are about all there is in Sterling to hunt.
    Last edited by peter nap; 10-01-2012 at 04:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 627PCFan View Post
    "Until you find yourself in a situation that can't be remedied in a single shot...."

    Dangerous game hunting in VA?

    I guess Bear hunting counts, maybe but they arent that big

    How about poachers, pot growers, moon shiners, meth fields/heads and other down right criminal element that seeks shelter in the woods.
    Let us not forget rabid creatures.





    A Virginia man is recovering after being bitten by a black bear while hunting in the Jefferson National Forest in Botetourt County.
    http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=9585893


    An attack by a rabid bear was ended by an Albemarle County farm worker’s point-blank shotgun blast
    http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2...im-ar-1855598/


    Sixty-year-old Thurman Hensley was hunting on the last day of the muzzle-loader bear season when he spotted a bear and then shot it. That's when his troubles began.
    As he went up to the 600-pound black bear to check it, it jumped up and mauled him.
    http://attack.igorilla.com/node/289



    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stori...ttacks-va.-man
    Hawthorne was riding his lawn mower outside his home when a coyote ran out of the woods and attacked him.



    I personally use a Traditions O/U 50cal. ML
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    How about poachers, pot growers, moon shiners, meth fields/heads and other down right criminal element that seeks shelter in the woods.
    Let us not forget rabid creatures.





    A Virginia man is recovering after being bitten by a black bear while hunting in the Jefferson National Forest in Botetourt County.
    http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=9585893


    An attack by a rabid bear was ended by an Albemarle County farm worker’s point-blank shotgun blast
    http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2...im-ar-1855598/


    Sixty-year-old Thurman Hensley was hunting on the last day of the muzzle-loader bear season when he spotted a bear and then shot it. That's when his troubles began.
    As he went up to the 600-pound black bear to check it, it jumped up and mauled him.
    http://attack.igorilla.com/node/289



    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stori...ttacks-va.-man
    Hawthorne was riding his lawn mower outside his home when a coyote ran out of the woods and attacked him.



    I personally use a Traditions O/U 50cal. ML
    Yep, toss in a Coydog or two


    And more poachers




    And we een have Democrats

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    Thanks for this posting, with us being newbies it has brought fourth the issue to us. I hope that it does get resolved with common sense but we all know how common sense works in government.

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    So let me get this straight. I have a CHL, but lets say I did not. From now to the middle of november, because some people are hunting, I would not be permitted to OC? Do I have this right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    So let me get this straight. I have a CHL, but lets say I did not. From now to the middle of november, because some people are hunting, I would not be permitted to OC? Do I have this right?
    No, only if you're hunting.

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    cause hunting is never dangerous. You know, I would love it if the politicians would read the second amendment about not abridging the bearing of arms. We could stop a whole bunch of nonsense by just doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    cause hunting is never dangerous. You know, I would love it if the politicians would read the second amendment about not abridging the bearing of arms. We could stop a whole bunch of nonsense by just doing that.
    I'd be happy if just some people that claim to be pro gun for everyone, would read it.

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    since my son is wanting to start hunting in VA now. we have discussed this.

    PETER, can you cite the law that says you can't OC? i have looked and it seems to talk about CCing.
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    "guns are like a Parachute, if you don't have one when you need it, you will not need one again"
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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    meth fields
    HUH?????? since when did it grow on tree's?

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