Just purchased my first Glock.

MAC702 · Oct 10, 2012

I'm surprised voting is still legal in California.

It's only protected by the same documents that protect the right to bear arms, so that obviously isn't enough to protect it.

And there are thousands of people that DARE to vote against the established socialists. You know, the easiest way to stop them from causing such a scene would just be to regulate voting so that they can't. After all, their votes are wasted in that environment anyway, and amount to nothing but protesting. Stop this blatant attention-getting activism!

ScottE · Oct 10, 2012

sudden valley gunner said:
Why wouldn't one be excited about standing up and exercising a right?

I look forward to OC everyday, it starts many questions, educates people on guns, helps bring back a lost gun culture, acts as a deterrent, let's the "authorities" know they aren't the only ones with guns, I could go on.

All the wrong reasons to carry, and not one mention of personal defense.

tombrewster421 · Oct 10, 2012

ScottE said:
All the wrong reasons to carry, and not one mention of personal defense.

So now there's a right and wrong reason to carry?

All of the reasons SVG listed are valid reasons to OC as opposed to CC. The whole self defense thing is kind of a no brainer. You do have a brain don't you? Obviously that's the reason we all carry.

ScottE · Oct 10, 2012

tombrewster421 said:
So now there's a right and wrong reason to carry?

All of the reasons SVG listed are valid reasons to OC as opposed to CC. The whole self defense thing is kind of a no brainer. You do have a brain don't you? Obviously that's the reason we all carry.

Yes, there are definitely right reasons to carry, and wrong reasons to carry. A gun is not a toy or trophy to be put out on display. It's a tool. And like all tools, it serves a purpose. That purpose in a carry situation should be personal defense, and nothing else. More emphasis on tactical, and less emphasis on tacticool.

tombrewster421 · Oct 10, 2012

ScottE said:
Yes, there are definitely right reasons to carry, and wrong reasons to carry. A gun is not a toy or trophy to be put out on display. It's a tool. And like all tools, it serves a purpose. That purpose in a carry situation should be personal defense, and nothing else. More emphasis on tactical, and less emphasis on tacticool.

So you really think that a tool only has one purpose and shouldn't be on display huh? I don't know about you but I tend not to conceal my hammer when I'm working. It makes it hard to use when I need it.

I carry a gun to protect myself period.
I open carry for other reasons, one of them being comfort. That doesn't negate the reason I carry in the first place, it only adds more purpose. I should hope that you fulfill more than one purpose in your life.

Vitaeus · Oct 10, 2012

ScottE said:
Yes, there are definitely right reasons to carry, and wrong reasons to carry. A gun is not a toy or trophy to be put out on display. It's a tool. And like all tools, it serves a purpose. That purpose in a carry situation should be personal defense, and nothing else. More emphasis on tactical, and less emphasis on tacticool.

I don't think the word tactical means what you think it means.

(used with a sing. or pl. verb) A procedure or set of maneuvers engaged in to achieve an end, an aim, or a goal.

If I by my visible wearing of a tool, get those with ill intentions to pass me by in favor of those not so visibly equipped, I gain security and safety without the need to do anything more than go about my business. That sounds like a hell of a bargain over the "benefit" of having to use my firearm to actively stop the threat.

This is where you drag out the gun-grab and the "you'll be first" opinions, go get some citations for either of those that show a pattern of facts that support your point, I'll wait.

Grapeshot · Oct 10, 2012

Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner

Why wouldn't one be excited about standing up and exercising a right?

I look forward to OC everyday, it starts many questions, educates people on guns, helps bring back a lost gun culture, acts as a deterrent, let's the "authorities" know they aren't the only ones with guns, I could go on.

ScottE said:
All the wrong reasons to carry, and not one mention of personal defense.

You do not determine what reasons are right. Why someone else carries is not your business.

MAC702 · Oct 10, 2012

Why I carry: PERSONAL DEFENSE.

Why I open carry: much, much, more comfortable, especially with a larger, more shootable sidearm; visible deterrent

There, happy now? MOST who OC do so for these reasons primarily, INCLUDING COPS. And there is still nothing wrong with OC'ing as education.

KYGlockster · Oct 10, 2012

Strike said:
Hey all, this is my first post even though I've been lurking here for a few months.

I went to down LESA and applied for CPL.

It's hasn't arrived yet but I figured I'd go pick out a handgun for when it arrives, plus I can open carry!

I went down to Surplus Ammo and Arms in Lakewook and picked out a Gen 4 Glock 23.

I'm very excited and can't wait to start OCing!

I have Glock models 20, 21 Gen4, 23 RTF2, 27, 30, and 32. I use to have models 17, 22, and 29, but I have sold them to family. I have never had a single malfunction from any of the Glock firearms, and I have fired thousands of rounds through them. You have made an excellent decision for your first firearm. My very first Glock was a Glock 23, which I carried constantly, and I still do carry the 23 RTF2 nearly everyday with a Wolf .357 Sig. conversion barrel and Ameri-glo night sights. If you can afford it I would invest in the Wolf .357 Sig. barrel for your 23; this barrel is much more accurate than the barrel from my 32, and the stainless steel looks great with the black slide. You should definately purchase some night sights for your new Glock. I carry Ameri-glo night sights on every gun I own, and in my opinion they are the best night sights there is. You can purchase these for around $65 from Cheaperthandirt.com, as well as the Wolf .357 barrel for around $99.

Good luck and carry on!

Trigger Dr · Oct 10, 2012

I routinely knock Glocks but do so in a tounge in cheek fashion. Years ago my work required firearms qualification on a monthly basis. We could use ony one of the 3 firearms that were currently issued at that time. Glock 17, S&W 66 and 1911A1. Wiith the glock, I consistently shot 3" low & left The 66 was dead on and the 1911 was like shaking hands with an old friend.
Plain and simple, the Glock did not fit my hand, the 66 and 1911 both did.
Glock is a good choice for those that have hands big enough to grab that HUGE grip. Just not me.

Grapeshot · Oct 10, 2012

Trigger Dr said:
I routinely knock Glocks but do so in a tounge in cheek fashion. Years ago my work required firearms qualification on a monthly basis. We could use ony one of the 3 firearms that were currently issued at that time. Glock 17, S&W 66 and 1911A1. Wiith the glock, I consistently shot 3" low & left The 66 was dead on and the 1911 was like shaking hands with an old friend.
Plain and simple, the Glock did not fit my hand, the 66 and 1911 both did.
Glock is a good choice for those that have hands big enough to grab that HUGE grip. Just not me.

Hard to improve on the latter two choices and like ol' friends, they can be depended on to do whatever needs doin'.

ScottE · Oct 11, 2012

Trigger Dr said:
I routinely knock Glocks but do so in a tounge in cheek fashion. Years ago my work required firearms qualification on a monthly basis. We could use ony one of the 3 firearms that were currently issued at that time. Glock 17, S&W 66 and 1911A1. Wiith the glock, I consistently shot 3" low & left The 66 was dead on and the 1911 was like shaking hands with an old friend.
Plain and simple, the Glock did not fit my hand, the 66 and 1911 both did.
Glock is a good choice for those that have hands big enough to grab that HUGE grip. Just not me.

Usually low left on a right handed person is due to incorrect grip and trigger pull. I'm sure you know this. Just pointing it out for others. I used to do the same thing.

EMNofSeattle · Oct 11, 2012

Trigger Dr said:
I routinely knock Glocks but do so in a tounge in cheek fashion. Years ago my work required firearms qualification on a monthly basis. We could use ony one of the 3 firearms that were currently issued at that time. Glock 17, S&W 66 and 1911A1. Wiith the glock, I consistently shot 3" low & left The 66 was dead on and the 1911 was like shaking hands with an old friend.
Plain and simple, the Glock did not fit my hand, the 66 and 1911 both did.
Glock is a good choice for those that have hands big enough to grab that HUGE grip. Just not me.

Well I don't have huge graspers and I can quite easily handle the Glock 17
They don't have that big a grip at all, The Beretta is the one for huge grips...

sudden valley gunner · Oct 11, 2012

Grapeshot said:
You do not determine what reasons are right. Why someone else carries is not your business.

+1

amlevin · Oct 11, 2012

ScottE said:
Usually low left on a right handed person is due to incorrect grip and trigger pull. I'm sure you know this. Just pointing it out for others. I used to do the same thing.

And if the firearm doesn't fit your hand, incorrect grip will merely be your "natural grip". The one that you revert to in times of severe stress.

If I can't put my hand around a pistol, close my eyes and point it at a target, and have it naturally pointing somewhere near that target when I open my eyes, nothing about that pistol is "natural" to my person.

If a Glock works, great. If you have to spend a lot of time adjusting for it, not so good.

Trigger Dr · Oct 11, 2012

ScottE said:
Usually low left on a right handed person is due to incorrect grip and trigger pull. I'm sure you know this. Just pointing it out for others. I used to do the same thing.

*****Read the part about the huge grip did not fit my hand***** and what makes you think I am right handed?

Citizen · Oct 11, 2012

sudden valley gunner said:
I have the gen 3 g19. It's a great gun, I wasn't sure I wanted one at first but it's nice and I like the polygonal barrel.

Did it come with a complimentary set of dishwasher-safe sandwich savers with easy-match lids?

(Actually, I have nothing against Glocks. They just don't fit my hand. But, I know they are reliable and tons and tons of people swear by them.)

Motofixxer · Oct 11, 2012

I was shooting low and left with a G17, followed common guidelines and could adjust my aim up and right and hit center. Picked up a G19 and was right on with it, hmm must not be me. G19 owner shot my G17 and was also hitting low and left and said "I don't like that it's messin me up." A little rear sight adjustment and it's right on now. With a little research it seems low and left is common for Glocks, at least for a while on many models it was.

I like the versatility of my Glocks with holsters. The 9mm and .40 models all work in the same holsters other than the obvious barrel length differences. But they lock into my Safariland ALS(recommended) holster great. I suggest the Glock 26,27 size holster, then if you want to carry the full size G17 etc, the extra barrel just sticks out the bottom of the holster. I did end up trimming the bottom of the holsters though, it seems there is excess plastic hanging below the barrel. On the full size, I think it was about 5\16th's in and the G26,27 holster it was more like 1\8 in.

ScottE · Oct 11, 2012

Trigger Dr said:
*****Read the part about the huge grip did not fit my hand***** and what makes you think I am right handed?

Um, that's why I said, "I'm sure you know this. Just pointing it out for others." And I never assumed you were right handed. Again, just stating for others that usually low left on a right handed person is due to bad grip. Geez...

ScottE · Oct 11, 2012

Motofixxer said:
I was shooting low and left with a G17, followed common guidelines and could adjust my aim up and right and hit center. Picked up a G19 and was right on with it, hmm must not be me. G19 owner shot my G17 and was also hitting low and left and said "I don't like that it's messin me up." A little rear sight adjustment and it's right on now. With a little research it seems low and left is common for Glocks, at least for a while on many models it was.

I like the versatility of my Glocks with holsters. The 9mm and .40 models all work in the same holsters other than the obvious barrel length differences. But they lock into my Safariland ALS(recommended) holster great. I suggest the Glock 26,27 size holster, then if you want to carry the full size G17 etc, the extra barrel just sticks out the bottom of the holster. I did end up trimming the bottom of the holsters though, it seems there is excess plastic hanging below the barrel. On the full size, I think it was about 5\16th's in and the G26,27 holster it was more like 1\8 in.

+1 on the Safariland ALS holster. Finally someone not using a Serpa! :banana:

Just purchased my first Glock.

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