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    FPS Russia anti OC? too bad, i like his videos

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMetD...1&feature=plcp
    it's mostly just recycled uncle ted garbage. leave some pro OC comments.
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    Seems to me that most of the "operator" type mentalities are anti-OC due to the tactical issues. But what doesn't seem to translate well is the real world non-operator types who aren't looking to take down an enemy encampment with a 6 man squad... I'm just looking to keep myself safe and maybe discourage a few BG's along the way.

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    I've never head an OCer complaining about being shot in the back of the head...so Go OC !

    Go CC

    Go crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I've never head an OCer complaining about being shot in the back of the head...so Go OC !
    Only time an OCer gets shot is when it's a cop pulling the trigger.

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    Just another CCer bugged by his own fears of carrying open. Who cares? He is insignificant, and we should not let his bias be a worry. Seems he needs attention.
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    He makes a lot of money from his videos, so if you don't like him, don't watch him and don't help promote his videos.

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    He has a point though with being singled out and shot first. I believe he is fine with OC around his place but prefers to CC in public so not to cause a commotion.

    If I'm willing/desperate to rob a store and I see a guy OCing, I will target them first and eliminate a threat. Yes there maybe someone CCing but I don't know who. That is what makes CC so effective, you don't know WHO is carrying and HOW many. You can walk into a store with 5 people with all CCing or walking in with 30 people not carrying, or vicea versa. My CCW instructor prefers to CC everywhere b/c he doesn't want people to know he is carrying and the only time he wants a person to know is when they see the business end of his gun and hearing the sound of his safety being clicked off. That is why I like Glocks, don't have to worry about a safety. Just gotta worry if I ran the slide when I walked out of my house that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    He has a point though with being singled out and shot first.
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    If I'm willing/desperate to rob a store and I see a guy OCing, I will target them first and eliminate a threat.
    Do you have any cites where someone specifically shot an open carrier first because the open carrier was in their way of robbing a store?

    Just because you think you would get rid of "the threat" before robbing a store, doesn't mean people who are actually going to rob a store would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    My CCW instructor prefers to CC everywhere b/c he doesn't want people to know he is carrying and the only time he wants a person to know is when they see the business end of his gun and hearing the sound of his safety being clicked off.
    I believe there's a reason most "CCW instructors" tell everyone they prefer CC, because they make money off people wanting to CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    If I'm willing/desperate to rob a store and I see a guy OCing, I will target them first and eliminate a threat.
    If you wanted to rob a store and you saw a guy OCing you really think you wouldn't turn around and find a store without someone with a firearm????
    You obviously don't think like a criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmcbeth View Post
    I've never head an OCer complaining about being shot in the back of the head...so Go OC !

    Go CC

    Go crazy

    Go b-a-n-a-n-a-s !

    i pretty much told FPS Russia that. i mentioned that if you OC you need to have a high level of situational awareness. not that you don't when you CC, but i said that if you feel like you might get snuck up on or that someone might get the drop on you, then you shouldn't OC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    He has a point though with being singled out and shot first. I believe he is fine with OC around his place but prefers to CC in public so not to cause a commotion.

    If I'm willing/desperate to rob a store and I see a guy OCing, I will target them first and eliminate a threat. Yes there maybe someone CCing but I don't know who. That is what makes CC so effective, you don't know WHO is carrying and HOW many. You can walk into a store with 5 people with all CCing or walking in with 30 people not carrying, or vicea versa. My CCW instructor prefers to CC everywhere b/c he doesn't want people to know he is carrying and the only time he wants a person to know is when they see the business end of his gun and hearing the sound of his safety being clicked off. That is why I like Glocks, don't have to worry about a safety. Just gotta worry if I ran the slide when I walked out of my house that day.


    A robber/thief does not a murderer make. Just because someone is willing to threaten violence to get theri $150 out of the till doesn't mean they will actually kill someone... if they were willing to just out and out kill someone why would they leave a live witness to the crime? They would just kill the clerk and everyone in the store... they don't because they're not murderers. They're party story robbers... BIIIIIIG difference.

    They also know that the cops aren't going to hunt as hard for the quickie mart robber as they would for a murderer.

    People who use that logic clearly aren't thinking things all the way through.
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    Did my part and gave it a thumbs down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsontech View Post
    Do you have any cites where someone specifically shot an open carrier first because the open carrier was in their way of robbing a store?

    Just because you think you would get rid of "the threat" before robbing a store, doesn't mean people who are actually going to rob a store would.

    It also doesn't mean they wouldn't.

    I believe there's a reason most "CCW instructors" tell everyone they prefer CC, because they make money off people wanting to CC.
    Here's a cite for you - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...452754246.html - Granted this is not a "store robbery" but the officer was OC'ing.

    Whether a BG shoots anybody or not, depends on his/her mindset. If their mindset is one of "anybody gets in my way, they're dead", there's a good chance an OC'er on the scene would be seen as the primary threat, and therefore the first to be eliminated. Another variable would be the perceived value of the score to the miscreant. If he/she perceives it as being "a roll of the dice" against success or failure, and the "prize" is more highly valued than his/her freedom - or possibly his/her own life - it may be enough motivation to take out the OC'er that is viewed as an impediment to his/her success. (Just because something may not have happened yet, doesn't place it outside the realm of possibility. Neither does something unusual having happened, mean that it will be repeated any time soon.)

    I agree with your evaluation of "most CCW instructors". Most bus line operators would tell you the bus is the most economical way to travel. There's a natural tendency for business people to "feather their own nest." I doubt that many CCW instructors are doing that job absolutely pro bono.
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    And here is OC deterring crime: http://www.examiner.com/article/open...bbery-kennesaw

    Him being in GA, you'd think he'd have heard about this.
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    The reality is would you hear about it if a robber came in, saw an OCer, and immediately shot him?
    Of Course. So confidently we can assume we hear ~ all of these instances. Not many.

    But would you hear about it if a robber came in, saw an OCer, and immediately turned around and went somewhere else? So rarely to be inconsiderable.

    By default crimes stopped before hand due to an OC deterrent don't get acknowledged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twoskinsonemanns View Post
    If you wanted to rob a store and you saw a guy OCing you really think you wouldn't turn around and find a store without someone with a firearm????
    You obviously don't think like a criminal.
    +1 my thoughts exactly.
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    FPS Russia anti OC? too bad, i like his videos

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    We need to change our dialog. Someone who says:

    "I think CC is better than OC and here's why, but do whatever you want"

    Is NOT anti-OC. He is clearly pro-choice, preferring CC himself. To call him anti-OC is the same as calling an OCer that says:

    "I think OC is better than CC and here's why, but do whatever you want"

    Anti-CC -- it just doesn't make sense!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheQ View Post
    All,

    We need to change our dialog. Someone who says:

    "I think CC is better than OC and here's why, but do whatever you want"

    Is NOT anti-OC. He is clearly pro-choice, preferring CC himself. To call him anti-OC is the same as calling an OCer that says:

    "I think OC is better than CC and here's why, but do whatever you want"

    Anti-CC -- it just doesn't make sense!
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    Quote Originally Posted by protias View Post
    And here is OC deterring crime: http://www.examiner.com/article/open...bbery-kennesaw

    Him being in GA, you'd think he'd have heard about this.
    The Wafflehouse? Is any place safe from these hooligans? Shame on them! I would always OC and CC together ... (in case one gets a flat and to also still have a gun with run-ins with the po po)

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    BTW, you guys are aware that FPSRussia isn't Russian right? Essentially he's just a paid actor in a way. Seriously, the guy has a chrome plated AR and a gold plated desert eagle. You really can't take this guy seriously at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    He has a point though with being singled out and shot first. I believe he is fine with OC around his place but prefers to CC in public so not to cause a commotion.

    If I'm willing/desperate to rob a store and I see a guy OCing, I will target them first and eliminate a threat. Yes there maybe someone CCing but I don't know who. That is what makes CC so effective, you don't know WHO is carrying and HOW many. You can walk into a store with 5 people with all CCing or walking in with 30 people not carrying, or vicea versa. My CCW instructor prefers to CC everywhere b/c he doesn't want people to know he is carrying and the only time he wants a person to know is when they see the business end of his gun and hearing the sound of his safety being clicked off. That is why I like Glocks, don't have to worry about a safety. Just gotta worry if I ran the slide when I walked out of my house that day.
    So a guy in a store wearing a gun holstered is probably just shopping . . . wouldn't it be easy, better, safer, and smarter to just wait . . . I don't know like . . . . 10 minutes?

    IMHO 99.9 percent of criminals are at LEAST this smart.

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    I think we're missing one of the obvious things. I've walked into a convenience store shopped, waited in line, and paid and left without anyone even noticing the sidearm. What convinces us all that a dude hyped up on adrenaline and in a massive rush is even going to notice you, let a lone your gun. From the opposite side sometimes? If you check all the youtube vids of gas station robberies one common theme is that the BG rarely pays attention to the bystanders. Only maybe for a split second. He's more concerned with the clerk and the money and the time. So to say he's going to home in on a sidearm is debatable. just saying. (Side note, ever seen the video where the guy tries to rob the store right in front of a police officer in uniform.)
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    Well there are a lot of people whom I may not always agree with their opine, but I think he puts gun owners in a better light than most of the "tv shows" on discover do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobiushky View Post
    BTW, you guys are aware that FPSRussia isn't Russian right? Essentially he's just a paid actor in a way. Seriously, the guy has a chrome plated AR and a gold plated desert eagle. You really can't take this guy seriously at all.
    He is of Russian decent, but he now lives in Georgia (the state).
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