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    Where'd you O.C. today and how'd it go?

    Hi guys, this is much the same idea as the one for Missouri, only for Kansas side. Please feel free to communicate where you "open-carried," what kind of experiences you had.. Good or bad, your thoughts and all.. And Have fun with this. New information is always welcome..

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    postitive in Manhattan

    My son and I OCed at 4 different places yesterday,, HyVee, HyVee conveinence store (complimented by clerk) (watched like a hawk by gas customer), Dillons and Dollar general. First time that we have OCed and will continue to exercise our 2A rights

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    I have OCed all over Manhattan, no problems

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    OCed at Subway on tuttle creek the other night, funny thing was a woman and child were sitting in the car and her husband was at the counter ordering, I got out and put my gun in holster, went in the store and not 20 seconds late she got out of car with her child and stood next to her husband. I have a feeling that she thought she needed to be next to her man thinking that I was their to do something illegal, then they waited till I left before they left. Their was no problem with the workers had a great conversation with the cashier.

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    Wichita

    I OC'ed to a store called twisted stitch. I own a Promotional products company and needed some help getting some embroidery done and took what I couldn't finish to them walked in talked with the owners and all not one word. Went great. A lady as I was walking to my car though was giving me a weird look.

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    I have open carried nearly ever day since it has been allowed in Wichita, to many different stores and still have not had a single person say even one word to me about it. Been in Wichita, Newton and Hesston without incident. No contact with police officers, voluntary or otherwise.

    I get the typical old lady glares from behind at the checkout counter, but also now have young men with face tattoos, hoodies and baggy pants avoid me in the parking lot and stores, often going out of their way to give me a large berth. Its nice not being hit up for change, and being followed to my car every time I go to the store after dark.
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    Thanks KT for the sharing that. I decided to just do it already and OC at the QT close to andover on HWY 54 . Had a guy say something along the lines of "whoa....nice." I OC'd in Walmart on greenwich and kellog as well as twisted stitch to get some hats for some customers. It felt great to exercise my right to carry. I hope more start to open carry.

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    OC'ed in Cabelas, Target off of k96, and QT out by Andover. It went great. No issues at all.

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    I have continued to OC for the past two weeks, still no comments or verbal contact with any one while carrying. Been to a few eateries in Old Town, Delano, and the usual stops at Walmart, Quick Trip, and fast food.

    I attended a wedding in downtown Wichita last night, I was CC most of the time due to my suit jacket, but later in the night and during tear down I took it off and OC'd for a few hours. The building was marked on almost every entrance with the no CC placards, but not on the entrance used for the wedding. A Wichita PD officer was in the building doing private security for one of the law offices and made no comment about my carrying when I offered him some of the left over food.

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    Carried at the usual places on the east side throughout the week.

    Today I went to Pawnee Prairie Park, then downtown Goddard, the gas station, and a few stores including McDonalds. No MWAG calls, no contact with other customers or anything.

    Still waiting for a single one person to say a one word to me since I've been carrying for 6 months now. I've got a feeling that when someone does, its going to be a serious PITA.

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    OK, I joined this forum just for this information! I will probably stick around though
    I live in Texas and travel to Kansas frequently (born there grew up in Tx) My family has had a farm in Sumner county, all my life. If I understand correctly I can open carry in Kansas and Wichita without CC license (working on a Tx CHL now) but when I get in my vehicle I must disarm, unload and put it in a "container"? And I can anticipate no LEO problems with the possible exceptions of KC and the KC 'burbs?
    Oklahoma is similar, I can car carry it but it must be unloaded cased in view.
    Texas I can car carry under the Motorist Protection Act, loaded/concealed.

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    You are correct on Wichita and Kansas.


    I had my first contact last week with someone regarding open carry, I was in Newton at a liquor store. The dude behind the counter was under the impression that liquor stores were off limits to all carry so I educated him on the difference between OC and CC, as well as the changes in the laws since 2005. The store was not even posted with an anti CC gun buster.

    I don't believe liquor stores even fell under the alcohol serving establishments rule since no alcohol is actually "served" but is sold. Took 7 months for my first conversation relating to my carrying and it was pretty dull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KTCerberus View Post
    You are correct on Wichita and Kansas.


    I had my first contact last week with someone regarding open carry, I was in Newton at a liquor store. The dude behind the counter was under the impression that liquor stores were off limits to all carry so I educated him on the difference between OC and CC, as well as the changes in the laws since 2005. The store was not even posted with an anti CC gun buster.

    I don't believe liquor stores even fell under the alcohol serving establishments rule since no alcohol is actually "served" but is sold. Took 7 months for my first conversation relating to my carrying and it was pretty dull.
    Thank you, I look forward to my next trip up there.

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    in Kansas you can open and conceal carry in all establishments that serve alcohol either open or concealed carry per HB2528 You can't drink and carry that is against the law but carrying in Bars or restaurants that serve alcohol is a go.

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    Whoa! I CAN CC or OC in bars that allow it, as long as I do not drink? Awesome.....I'll just have a coke from now on.

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    Wally world in Goddard, KS. Went well no one seemed to mind.

    Also my first open carry.

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    OC'd in Manhattan, KS today. Just picked up my dry cleaning.

    First time OC'ing and plan to do it from here on out.

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    Where'd you O.C. today and how'd it go?

    Williams Ace Hardware in Goddard, KS. Guy working was very helpful and when I had what i was looking for he asked me what I carry. Nice chat. The Girl at the register carried a big smile and knew my name.

    No reaction at the kwik shop marketplace. Also good.

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    Where'd you O.C. today and how'd it go?

    Had a guy ask me if I was a cop while in line at redbox. I politely said no. I don't think he had any problem it was just a conversation starter like "how's the weather." We talked ccw vs open carry a bit and I told him I alternate back and forth by situation. All in all he was just a nice guy that had grown up around firearms but doesn't own a gun. He did not judge me for carrying open nor did I judge him for not owning a gun. I suspect he has thought about getting one in the past and seeing me made him think about it again.

    Friendly chat.
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    Road Trip

    Today I hopped on my bike since the weather was nice and oc from Dodge City on a 180 mile circle to the northwest and never got one strange look from anyone, it was a nice day to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by showme53 View Post
    My son and I OCed at 4 different places yesterday,, HyVee, HyVee conveinence store (complimented by clerk) (watched like a hawk by gas customer), Dillons and Dollar general. First time that we have OCed and will continue to exercise our 2A rights
    So when you went to these stores, did you have to retrieve your weapons from the trunk or do you lock them up in a box when driving? I want to open carry but I had a run in with a loaded weapon in a vehicle about 20 years ago. Don't want to do that again. How do you handle that?
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    This past Friday I open carried at Chipotle in Manhattan. Had some older guy in line behind me sneer. He can laugh all he wants, I'm not walking around defenseless.

    Yesterday I OC'd at the Dairy Queen on the west side of town. An employee behind the counter saw my Glock 23 and looked at me funny. It looked like she said something to the manager but no one approached me. My wife was OCing with me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beware of Gun View Post
    So when you went to these stores, did you have to retrieve your weapons from the trunk or do you lock them up in a box when driving? I want to open carry but I had a run in with a loaded weapon in a vehicle about 20 years ago. Don't want to do that again. How do you handle that?
    I just drop the mag and put both the mag and pistol in my glove compartment. I carry condition 3 so I'm not always loading/unloading it. Sometimes I don't bother and just leave it in the holster. I have been unable to find a definition in the law of "concealed". The recent AG opinions say "not in plain view" or something. A special investigator at the AG office I spoke with a couple weeks ago said that "concealed" was "in a container that completely encloses the firearm." So, take all that for what it's worth. I'm not a lawyer.

    Some relevant info from this page: http://handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

    "(a) No city or county shall adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation, and no agent of any city or county
    shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, transfer, ownership, storage or transporting of
    firearms or ammunition, or any component or combination thereof. Except as provided in subsection (b) and
    subsection (a) of K.S.A. 2009 Supp. 75-7c11, and amendments thereto, any such ordinance, resolution or
    regulation adopted prior to the effective date of this 2007 act shall be null and void.
    (4) prohibit a city or county from adopting an ordinance, resolution or regulation requiring a firearm
    transported in any air, land or water vehicle to be unloaded and encased in a container which completely
    encloses the firearm or any less restrictive provision governing the transporting of firearms, provided such
    ordinance, resolution or regulation shall not apply to persons licensed under the personal and family
    protection act. "

    "4. If the language “immediate control of a person” in K.S.A. 12-16,124(b)(2) includes
    carrying a firearm in a vehicle, does this include the glove compartment or under
    the seat?
    Answer: As noted above, the area in “immediate control” of an occupant of a vehicle is
    the area within “reaching distance” of that person.5
    By this standard, a glove
    compartment or the area beneath a seat would likely be considered within the
    immediate control of an occupant of a vehicle. K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 12-16,124 does not
    define “concealed,” so we apply the ordinary meaning of the word, which is “kept from
    sight or view.”6
    A firearm stored under a seat or inside a glove compartment is kept from
    sight or view, and thus would be considered a concealed firearm outside the scope of
    K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 12-16,124(b)(2)."

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...ion12_2011.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeviR View Post
    I just drop the mag and put both the mag and pistol in my glove compartment. I carry condition 3 so I'm not always loading/unloading it. Sometimes I don't bother and just leave it in the holster. I have been unable to find a definition in the law of "concealed". The recent AG opinions say "not in plain view" or something. A special investigator at the AG office I spoke with a couple weeks ago said that "concealed" was "in a container that completely encloses the firearm." So, take all that for what it's worth. I'm not a lawyer.

    Some relevant info from this page: http://handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

    "(a) No city or county shall adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation, and no agent of any city or county
    shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, transfer, ownership, storage or transporting of
    firearms or ammunition, or any component or combination thereof. Except as provided in subsection (b) and
    subsection (a) of K.S.A. 2009 Supp. 75-7c11, and amendments thereto, any such ordinance, resolution or
    regulation adopted prior to the effective date of this 2007 act shall be null and void.
    (4) prohibit a city or county from adopting an ordinance, resolution or regulation requiring a firearm
    transported in any air, land or water vehicle to be unloaded and encased in a container which completely
    encloses the firearm or any less restrictive provision governing the transporting of firearms, provided such
    ordinance, resolution or regulation shall not apply to persons licensed under the personal and family
    protection act. "

    "4. If the language “immediate control of a person” in K.S.A. 12-16,124(b)(2) includes
    carrying a firearm in a vehicle, does this include the glove compartment or under
    the seat?
    Answer: As noted above, the area in “immediate control” of an occupant of a vehicle is
    the area within “reaching distance” of that person.5
    By this standard, a glove
    compartment or the area beneath a seat would likely be considered within the
    immediate control of an occupant of a vehicle. K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 12-16,124 does not
    define “concealed,” so we apply the ordinary meaning of the word, which is “kept from
    sight or view.”6
    A firearm stored under a seat or inside a glove compartment is kept from
    sight or view, and thus would be considered a concealed firearm outside the scope of
    K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 12-16,124(b)(2)."

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/a...ion12_2011.pdf

    There just seems to be a whole lot gray area. I also heard someone say you could not carry loaded. Kind of defeats the purpose and a greater risk of having it taken away from you. Being in Wichita I just have not seen enough evidence making it worth it. I think I will wait till I get my CC license. I don't want to risk doing something that would hinder me from doing that. Thanks for your reply and if you have any other advice please feel free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beware of Gun View Post
    There just seems to be a whole lot gray area. I also heard someone say you could not carry loaded. Kind of defeats the purpose and a greater risk of having it taken away from you. Being in Wichita I just have not seen enough evidence making it worth it. I think I will wait till I get my CC license. I don't want to risk doing something that would hinder me from doing that. Thanks for your reply and if you have any other advice please feel free.
    Yeah, I agree it's gray. Supposedly there is some legislation the Kansas State Rifle Assoc. put together that will help. Won't see the light of day til next year though.

    You can carry loaded. If someone tells you something, tell them to cite a law.
    Carrying in condition 3 doesn't defeat the purpose at all. One of the advantages of OC is that the firearm is visible and can act as a deterrent. There is also a tactical advantage of a faster draw. I don't see why condition 3 makes it easier for it to be taken. That's what retention holsters are for.

    I hope you will reconsider carrying. Did you have a run-in with the law that makes you nervous? I can understand that. I would suggest calling the state AG office and get in touch with a special investigator. They may be able to ease your mind. I know they did so for me.

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