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    Boyscouts/Cubscouts violate 2a?

    It has come to my attention the BSA is not lawful firearm friendly

    14.Except for (1) law enforcement officers required to carry firearms within their jurisdiction, and (2) circumstances within the scope of the BSA hunting policy statement, firearms should not be in the possession of any person engaged in camping, hiking, backpacking, or any other Scouting activity other than those specifically planned for target shooting under the supervision of a certified firearms instructor. (Among the purposes of this policy is to prohibit adult leaders from bringing firearms on BSA camping and hiking activities or to unit meetings.)
    That can be found at the following link:

    http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...GSS/gss08.aspx

    I have a big problem with this. If any of you have boys in the scouts, you know that they are in support of the US and its Constitution. However, this policy directly violates that support.

    In my sons troop, they say the pledge of allegiance, and get a badge for learning certain parts of the Constitution and Declaration of Independance. I have only been to two meetings, and have carried both times, so I may be shouting from the rooftops at noone, but this policy bugs me.

    Has anyone else had issues with this in regards to carrying during scouting events?
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    Shame on the Scouts! But they are not violating the 2A. They are merely exercising their own rights--in a way that you and I find offensive and inexcusable.

    Carriers who are affiliated with the Scouts should mount a campaign to change this policy.

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    Re: Boyscouts/Cubscouts violate 2a?

    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Shame on the Scouts! But they are not violating the 2A. They are merely exercising their own rights--in a way that you and I find offensive and inexcusable.

    Carriers who are affiliated with the Scouts should mount a campaign to change this policy.
    Well, considering most of the meetings are on public property, how can they prevent it legally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    Shame on the Scouts! But they are not violating the 2A. ...
    He said they were violating their famous support of the Constitution, not that they were themselves violating the 2nd Amendment. (EDIT: I just reread the thread title. He did say that there...)

    And he's right. (EDIT: Not in the thread title; you got him there.)

    It has been a LONG time since the Scouts were what they were founded to be. It is time for them to retire, or change their name so we stop confusing them with the original Scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker6900 View Post
    Well, considering most of the meetings are on public property, how can they prevent it legally?
    What are the terms of where they camp/meet? Are people allowed to camp/assemble right in their midst even though they are not part of the group? Or do the Scouts lease the area they are using and maintain official control?

    I'd imagine the leadership (and I use that term loosely) would make it difficult on a parent (and especially on their child) if they violate their hoplophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    ...Carriers who are affiliated with the Scouts should mount a campaign to change this policy.
    I have several times volunteered as a firearms instructor at official Scout camps, for their Venture Crews. Next time I am asked to do this, I will verify their overall firearms policies, and will decline if they are as described here. I will make sure they know why.
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    BSA's firearms policy was developed years ago in order to limit their exposure to liability for harm/injury to scouts.

    It was done by the same folks who made the very conscious and deliberate decision not to report sex offenders.

    If there was ever an activity that taught responsibility and self control, shooting has got to be close to, if not at, the top of the list. It's not something you can make excuses for, because the next person in line is going to take the same firearm you said was all messed up and run up a score of 100/10X.

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    I suspect there is enough support for 2A at the local level for some individuals to skirt the rule. As I recall, the individual troops are fairly autonomous.

    Perhaps OC in any given troop is asking for too much attention from the district or council level. Perhaps discreet carry (better term for CC) is better in some troops.

    I like the adage, "It is better to ask forgiveness than ask permission."

    Also, there is no reason the real participants--boys and their parents--cannot put a little pressure back up the channels to steer Scouting back towards its founding principles.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    i have over thirty years in scouting, and the no carry on scout reserves has always bothered me.

    i was a rifle instructor for years and most of the ones that worked at camp were very pro gun. it's just the council office that are stupid

    And SKID we were always taught to report sexual offenders and to not tolerate them period
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Boyscouts/Cubscouts violate 2a?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker6900 View Post
    Well, considering most of the meetings are on public property, how can they prevent it legally?
    If they have been given use of that property, it is theirs to enjoy, much like if they owned it. The idea is not unlike a person's rental being theirs to enjoy, even to the extent of making rules that visitors must follow.

    Now, if they are given a room or two to "enjoy," you'd be free to wander the halls armed, assuming that you would have been otherwise. But you would be disrespecting the rights of the Scout's organization to carry into the room, and they would be justified in asking you to leave.

    That being said, let me remind everyone that I find the Scout's position despicable.


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