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    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own. In fact I'd say the crazy conservative gun nuts have done more harm to me by making ammo and firearms scarce and expensive with their paranoid the sky is falling gotta buy as much as I can afford before it's too late attitude. This hurts real firearms enthusiests like myself looking for a good deal on a handgun or rifle. Luckily I've been reloading for decades (something the sky is falling crowd should be doing if they really are serious) so the idiots buying all the ammo don't affect me as much. The truth is these chicken littles are their own worst enemies letting elections scare them into panick buying and driving prices up for everybody.

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    Agreed...and all I hear is OMG OBAMA IS GONNA TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!!!111!! But seriously? He can't just decide he's gonna take guns away....it has to be passed by republics..and democrats..and people who uphold the constitution..which would have to be revised for it to happen. In my opinion the federal government has done a fairly decent job when it comes to not breaking the constitution..whether it's been keeping church/state separate, or our right to bear arms. The entire argument is nothing but a logical fallacy used to scare the weak minded into thinking Obama is just gonna all of a sudden outlaw all weapons or something. Of course Obama has screwed up...of course the government has made mistakes when it comes to the constitution....but this is so far fetched you have gotta be stretch armstrong just to reach out and try to grab on to it.

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    Nor have the cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    .and people who uphold the constitution..
    You are not talking about folks in DC right?

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    What credentials does this website have, and is there any proof for all of these claims? I can write [THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT] But that doesn't actually make it true until I support my claim with evidence. On top of that it really doesn't matter what Obama supports...unless he can get the bills passed by the House, and the Senate before it means anything...and something that would be in direct violation of the 2nd amendment would have a HELL of a time making it through the process.

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    Some folks think that a new law is required to confiscate their gun(s). To confiscate all gun(s) yes. Your guns specifically? No.

    It is easier than you would like to think and all it takes is a phone call by virtually anyone and your gun(s) are forfeit to the state until such time that you can prove that you deserve them back.
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    I still have my guns and still going to apply for more permits, doesn't worry or affect me at all... Obama really isn't all that bad if you think about it, All Presidents are gonna make HUGE mistakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own. In fact I'd say the crazy conservative gun nuts have done more harm to me by making ammo and firearms scarce and expensive with their paranoid the sky is falling gotta buy as much as I can afford before it's too late attitude. This hurts real firearms enthusiests like myself looking for a good deal on a handgun or rifle. Luckily I've been reloading for decades (something the sky is falling crowd should be doing if they really are serious) so the idiots buying all the ammo don't affect me as much. The truth is these chicken littles are their own worst enemies letting elections scare them into panick buying and driving prices up for everybody.

    Wow are you really that uniformed. You really need to do some more research. Nobama and Clinton are doing everything they can to take away your guns, they are just doing it quietly. Remember hillary pushed for the U.N. gun treaty. I can see by your join date that you are new to this site, maybe you should spend more time in here researching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Some folks think that a new law is required to confiscate their gun(s). To confiscate all gun(s) yes. Your guns specifically? No.

    It is easier than you would like to think and all it takes is a phone call by virtually anyone and your gun(s) are forfeit to the state until such time that you can prove that you deserve them back.
    So what..you think Obama is going to put together the largest telemarketer call in history? Call every armed citizen and have their guns confiscated? Yeah right...sure if for some reason the government wants to come and take my guns they can try it...but how long do you think it would take before people caught on and the people doing the confiscations started to get shot? That would be a great way to start another civil war..and no one in their right mind would try to do this to an entire population. On top of that I would file a suit for an unlawful confiscation of property and would eventually get it back at the expense of the government. The fact is that for Obama to take our guns and our right to bear arms away he is going to have to do a HELL of a lot of convincing, and to be honest I don't see the bill ever getting past the House. It's a non-issue. What is an issue is that Romney is 100% an outright liar who changes policy more than he changes pants. I would rather have to worry about fighting a bill in congress than having a schizophrenic liar as my President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    What credentials does this website have, and is there any proof for all of these claims? I can write Fact: Moonie enjoys gay sex. But that doesn't actually make it true until I support my claim with evidence. On top of that it really doesn't matter what Obama supports...unless he can get the bills passed by the House, and the Senate before it means anything...and something that would be in direct violation of the 2nd amendment would have a HELL of a time making it through the process.
    What is with Obama supporters and gay sex. Are you not paying attention, the democratic party is supposed to be the party of tolerance. Please stop with the homophobia comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    So what..you think Obama is going to put together the largest telemarketer call in history? Call every armed citizen and have their guns confiscated? Yeah right...sure if for some reason the government wants to come and take my guns they can try it...but how long do you think it would take before people caught on and the people doing the confiscations started to get shot? That would be a great way to start another civil war..and no one in their right mind would try to do this to an entire population. On top of that I would file a suit for an unlawful confiscation of property and would eventually get it back at the expense of the government. The fact is that for Obama to take our guns and our right to bear arms away he is going to have to do a HELL of a lot of convincing, and to be honest I don't see the bill ever getting past the House. It's a non-issue. What is an issue is that Romney is 100% an outright liar who changes policy more than he changes pants. I would rather have to worry about fighting a bill in congress than having a schizophrenic liar as my President.
    All they have to do is seize manufacturer and FFL records. Not to mention everybody with a permission card is registered with the NCIC database.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    SNIP Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own.
    True, very true.

    But, he has taken us on giant steps toward the day when you might need to use them. NDAA, reauthorized the Patriot Act, extra-judicial killing of a US citizen and his teenage son,...


    The politicians have figured out that they can bleed us dry as long as they don't take our guns. They understand they can wreck the economy, tax us into poverty, drive the debt to Neptune, and destroy the value of our savings as long as they don't touch our guns. The best trick of all is to have half us hating the other half instead of all of us hating them. Who cares if Americans have guns. If they don't know they're being screwed, and can't correctly identify who is screwing them, guns are no worry at all.
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    Liberals are a lot like chickens, feed them, occasionally feed them a treat direct from the hand. Stroke and pet them to where they follow you.

    And then they will lay their heads down happily on the chopping block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own. In fact I'd say the crazy conservative gun nuts have done more harm to me by making ammo and firearms scarce and expensive with their paranoid the sky is falling gotta buy as much as I can afford before it's too late attitude. This hurts real firearms enthusiests like myself looking for a good deal on a handgun or rifle. Luckily I've been reloading for decades (something the sky is falling crowd should be doing if they really are serious) so the idiots buying all the ammo don't affect me as much. The truth is these chicken littles are their own worst enemies letting elections scare them into panick buying and driving prices up for everybody.
    enthusiests? LOL a real one huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    Liberals are a lot like chickens, feed them, occasionally feed them a treat direct from the hand. Stroke and pet them to where they follow you.

    And then they will lay their heads down happily on the chopping block.

    Oh? And, conservatives aren't?

    Conservatives don't fall for continuing massive spending on military and war?

    Conservatives don't fall for massive spending on foreign policy?

    Conservatives don't fall for a War on Drugs that has given the US the highest incarceration rate in the world? A huge part of which is antagonism to a plant that in some places in this country the people (you know, the sovereigns) regard as on a level with beer?



    The biggest deception of all is politicians getting half of us to hate the other half. Liberals vs conservatives. While politicians pluck both.

    Underlying this is the desire to get something for ourselves. Liberals want freebies. Conservatives want things that can't possibly be free. Both want the government to do them favors or give them advantages over their fellow man. Of course, this just gives the politicians a market. We have to stop using government to our own unfair advantages. And, start hating the politicians, and not each other.

    If you can give up your desire for unfair advantage, then you can stop hating the other half. But, you have to first give up that desire to use government. It is the key the politicians use to unluck the door to the toolshed where the axe is kept. Not at all unlike confidence men--greed is the key of a scammer. The victim's interest in money for nothing or a big score gives the confidence man a place to set his hook, to use that interest to reel in the victim. In the same way, politicians use the desire for advantage or favor.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Ahh, how quickly some forget Operation Fast and Furious. And what Reagan, one of our "greatest" presidents, did to gun rights.

    And as to the argument that they can't just come and take your guns? They don't have to. All they need to do is get you declared mentally incompetent or suicidal, such as in the case of David Sarti, and *bang*! There goes your right to keep and bear arms. I'm sure Brandon Raub will have an uphill battle to fight to retain his RTKBA after being imprisoned in a mental facility (by the government!) against his will, despite a judge ordering him released, and no history of mental illness or criminal charges brought against him. And wasn't there a vet a year back who mistakenly called a suicide hotline, (he meant to call a vet help hotline for insomnia, IIRC) was turned in and lost his rights too?

    To demonize one power hungry megalomaniac while sanctifying the other is foolish and naive. Despite standing on different sides of the aisle, they all have the same end goal; to control you and I.

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    Ya know, NY doesn't messed with MY guns either, nor has DC or Chicago, nor California or Maryland. I suppose it makes those cities/states harmless, amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own. In fact I'd say the crazy conservative gun nuts have done more harm to me by making ammo and firearms scarce and expensive with their paranoid the sky is falling gotta buy as much as I can afford before it's too late attitude. This hurts real firearms enthusiests like myself looking for a good deal on a handgun or rifle. Luckily I've been reloading for decades (something the sky is falling crowd should be doing if they really are serious) so the idiots buying all the ammo don't affect me as much. The truth is these chicken littles are their own worst enemies letting elections scare them into panick buying and driving prices up for everybody.
    You did hear him last night when he said that he wants to reinstitute the "assault weapon" ban?

    He is likely waiting for his second term, when he can be--what did he say to Putin--more flexible. I am convinced that he didn't do anything big about guns during his first term because it would have hurt his chances at reelection. When he doesn't have to worry about reelection, watch out. Then he can take on those folks who cling to their guns and Bibles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    What is with Obama supporters and gay sex. Are you not paying attention, the democratic party is supposed to be the party of tolerance. Please stop with the homophobia comments.
    Leave it to a Romney supporter to skirt the issue with a non issue. Saying the words "gay sex" is not homophobia...it's sex between gay people. I also never claimed to be a part of the democratic party..I'm simply anti-Romney. Try to re-read what I posted and see if you can use a little bit of reading comprehension without trying to cherry pick so you can skirt around the rest of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    Leave it to a Romney supporter to skirt the issue with a non issue. Saying the words "gay sex" is not homophobia...it's sex between gay people. I also never claimed to be a part of the democratic party..I'm simply anti-Romney. Try to re-read what I posted and see if you can use a little bit of reading comprehension without trying to cherry pick so you can skirt around the rest of it.
    What has gay sex to do with the issue? Why did you accuse another member of being gay? I am anti Homophobes and hypocrites. Seems to be a predominate trait of liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own.
    YET. Go to http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events...10737434294-8/ and scroll to around 1:16:00. Listen to Obama's comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkingWolf View Post
    What has gay sex to do with the issue? Why did you accuse another member of being gay? I am anti Homophobes and hypocrites. Seems to be a predominate trait of liberals.
    Because me saying that he was gay has the same basis in reality as that website has saying "Facts" about Obama. Neither are supported by evidence so both of them are useless. And since you are Romney supporter it amazes me you are neither a homophobe nor a hypocrite considering most conservatives are those things to a very high degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADobbs1989 View Post
    Because me saying that he was gay has the same basis in reality as that website has saying "Facts" about Obama. Neither are supported by evidence so both of them are useless. And since you are Romney supporter it amazes me you are neither a homophobe nor a hypocrite considering most conservatives are those things to a very high degree.
    But you had no business saying he was gay! It is against the site rules to use personal insults. Find a argument that is based on the OP, not insults.
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    Funny.... if you follow the links there are footnotes to support all that was said.

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
    Go to footnotes you find -
    13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)

    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
    2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

    FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
    7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
    who use firearms in self-defense.5
    5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Cool View Post
    Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to acquire or own.
    Not cool, Joe, Not cool at all.
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