Obama hasn't messed witrh my guns

WalkingWolf · Oct 17, 2012

ADobbs1989 said:
Leave it to a Romney supporter to skirt the issue with a non issue. Saying the words "gay sex" is not homophobia...it's sex between gay people. I also never claimed to be a part of the democratic party..I'm simply anti-Romney. Try to re-read what I posted and see if you can use a little bit of reading comprehension without trying to cherry pick so you can skirt around the rest of it.

What has gay sex to do with the issue? Why did you accuse another member of being gay? I am anti Homophobes and hypocrites. Seems to be a predominate trait of liberals.

3fgburner · Oct 17, 2012

Joseph Cool said:
Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own.

YET. Go to http://www.c-span.org/Debates/Events/Pres-Obama-Mitt-Romney-Debate-at-Hofstra-Univ/10737434294-8/ and scroll to around 1:16:00. Listen to Obama's comments.

ADobbs1989 · Oct 17, 2012

WalkingWolf said:
What has gay sex to do with the issue? Why did you accuse another member of being gay? I am anti Homophobes and hypocrites. Seems to be a predominate trait of liberals.

Because me saying that he was gay has the same basis in reality as that website has saying "Facts" about Obama. Neither are supported by evidence so both of them are useless. And since you are Romney supporter it amazes me you are neither a homophobe nor a hypocrite considering most conservatives are those things to a very high degree.

--Moderator note--
Personal insults are not allowed on this forum.

WalkingWolf · Oct 17, 2012

ADobbs1989 said:
Because me saying that he was gay has the same basis in reality as that website has saying "Facts" about Obama. Neither are supported by evidence so both of them are useless. And since you are Romney supporter it amazes me you are neither a homophobe nor a hypocrite considering most conservatives are those things to a very high degree.

But you had no business saying he was gay! It is against the site rules to use personal insults. Find a argument that is based on the OP, not insults.

Fallschirjmäger · Oct 17, 2012

Funny.... if you follow the links there are footnotes to support all that was said.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
Go to footnotes you find -
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people
who use firearms in self-defense.5
5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

Joseph Cool said:
Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to acquire or own.

Not cool, Joe, Not cool at all.

ADobbs1989 · Oct 17, 2012

WalkingWolf said:
But you had no business saying he was gay! It is against the site rules to use personal insults. Find a argument that is based on the OP, not insults.

Lol, you can't equate what I said to a personal insult. Using context clues before and after what I said, it's obvious that I was implying that regardless of what I say, unless I have proof it's useless to say. If you or anyone else only saw me calling him gay..then that's your problem..not mine.

WalkingWolf · Oct 17, 2012

ADobbs1989 said:
Lol, you can't equate what I said to a personal insult. Using context clues before and after what I said, it's obvious that I was implying that regardless of what I say, unless I have proof it's useless to say. If you or anyone else only saw me calling him gay..then that's your problem..not mine.

Yup it is clear you do have a problem~and there was no need to bring sexual preferences into a discussion about gun rights. It was incredibly stupid as well as bigoted.

1245A Defender · Oct 17, 2012

Well,,,

Do Not Feed the TROLL'S

Deanimator · Oct 18, 2012

WalkingWolf said:
Yup it is clear you do have a problem~and there was no need to bring sexual preferences into a discussion about gun rights. It was incredibly stupid as well as bigoted.

Twenty years of experience, first in FidoNet, then usenet, and now web based message forums has shown me that hard leftwing (I'm liberal) anti-gunners have "authorized" themselves to engage in the basest bigotry, from racial and anti-Semitic slurs to using homosexuality as an insult. If you want to have an endless stream of racial slurs hurled at you, be a Black man and refuse to OBEY a leftist White anti-gunner when he ORDERS you to support [historically racially motivated] repressive gun controls. When I was in usenet, they were on EXTREMELY cordial terms with the neo-Nazis of the National Alliance. Amusingly, one of the biggest (now on the Huffington Post, I believe) goosestepped into usenet soc.culture.african.american.moderated and started giving orders. Apparently he wasn't expecting the reaction he got. I will say that he managed to unite liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats and socialists... in CONTEMPT for him. He took his Ward Churchill autographed bat and ball and went home.

A few years ago, I was in a Lakewood, Ohio McDonald's. Completely out of the blue, I was berated by an elderly cleaner for wearing an NRA ballcap. I was told (among other things) that the NRA should be "banned". I noted that the last time organizations started getting banned, we misplaced 6,000,000 Jews somewhere. His response? He "wasn't so sure that was such a BAD thing".

Scratch an anti-gunner, find a Klansman... or a Nazi.

moonie · Oct 18, 2012

For the record I do not enjoy gay sex and I do consider that a personal attack. I'm not pro Romney nor pro Obama. I vote republican as I believe smaller government is better but both parties have issues with that thought, the democrats more so.

My wife was a democrat, Obama turned her into a republican. For the first time in her life she registered republican for this election.

Please do note, as has been pointed out in this thread, there are references on that page. I didn't claim any of it was true, I was just letting you know that others do not share your opinion.

I did not attack you, I did not call you a liar, I made no comment about what you said at all and you felt it necessary to attack me the way you did.

I have a number of friends that are Gay and Lesbian, I do not agree with their lifestyle but it is their choice, I love them anyway.

Citizen · Oct 18, 2012

Deanimator said:
Twenty years of experience, first in FidoNet, then usenet, and now web based message forums has shown me that hard leftwing (I'm liberal) anti-gunners have "authorized" themselves to engage in the basest bigotry, from racial and anti-Semitic slurs to using homosexuality as an insult. If you want to have an endless stream of racial slurs hurled at you, be a Black man and refuse to OBEY a leftist White anti-gunner when he ORDERS you to support [historically racially motivated] repressive gun controls. When I was in usenet, they were on EXTREMELY cordial terms with the neo-Nazis of the National Alliance. Amusingly, one of the biggest (now on the Huffington Post, I believe) goosestepped into usenet soc.culture.african.american.moderated and started giving orders. Apparently he wasn't expecting the reaction he got. I will say that he managed to united liberals, conservatives, Republicans and socialists... in CONTEMPT for him. He took his Ward Churchill autographed bat and ball and went home.

A few years ago, I was in a Lakewood, Ohio McDonald's. Completely out of the blue, I was berated by an elderly cleaner for wearing an NRA ballcap. I was told (among other things) that the NRA should be "banned". I noted that the last time organizations started getting banned, we misplaced 6,000,000 Jews somewhere. His response? He "wasn't so sure that was such a BAD thing".

Scratch an anti-gunner, find a Klansman... or a Nazi.

I don't always agree with Deanimator, but, god! one has to admire his ability to turn a phrase.

crazydude6030 · Oct 18, 2012

Let’s take a stroll down memory lane and see what his past actions say about this…

I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets.

-- Source http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...8bfb9a-17dd-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html

Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.

Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.

On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.

-- Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”

-- Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008

April 11th produced "Bittergate." The Huffington Post website posted an explanation Obama gave at a private fundraiser in San Francisco of the challenges he faced with working-class voters in Pennsylvania and Indiana. "It's not surprising they get bitter," he said, referring to decades of constrained economic opportunities. "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

-- Source: Obama for Beginners, by Bob Neer, p. 61 Apr 1, 2008

Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.

-- Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.

-- Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

-- Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
-- Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
-- Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
-- uire manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

-- Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
-- Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
-- Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
-- Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
-- Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
-- Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices

--Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

Obama continues ban on importation of 600,000 historical, collectible M1 Carbine rifles; Fate of 86,000 Garands still in doubt

-- Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/08/o...-rifles-fate-of-86000-garands-still-in-doubt/

While there might be more examples of I am pressed for time and I believe this provides a good sample. I conclude that he hates gun ownership and through his actions has done everything he can to limit and promote bans on ownership. I think there is enough reason to fear he would push for new legislation to make it next to impossible to buy and own a gun similar. For examples see how difficult it is to buy a handgun in DC and the limits imposed there.

crazydude6030 · Oct 18, 2012

Citizen said:
Oh? And, conservatives aren't?

Conservatives don't fall for continuing massive spending on military and war?

Conservatives don't fall for massive spending on foreign policy?

Conservatives don't fall for a War on Drugs that has given the US the highest incarceration rate in the world? A huge part of which is antagonism to a plant that in some places in this country the people (you know, the sovereigns) regard as on a level with beer?

The biggest deception of all is politicians getting half of us to hate the other half. Liberals vs conservatives. While politicians pluck both.

Underlying this is the desire to get something for ourselves. Liberals want freebies. Conservatives want things that can't possibly be free. Both want the government to do them favors or give them advantages over their fellow man. Of course, this just gives the politicians a market. We have to stop using government to our own unfair advantages. And, start hating the politicians, and not each other.

If you can give up your desire for unfair advantage, then you can stop hating the other half. But, you have to first give up that desire to use government. It is the key the politicians use to unluck the door to the toolshed where the axe is kept. Not at all unlike confidence men--greed is the key of a scammer. The victim's interest in money for nothing or a big score gives the confidence man a place to set his hook, to use that interest to reel in the victim. In the same way, politicians use the desire for advantage or favor.

This post is full of awesome. We really need a like button.....

MSG Laigaie · Oct 18, 2012

1245A Defender said:
Do Not Feed the TROLL'S

Way to go Defender. I saw this one trolling from the "first" post.

Hef · Oct 18, 2012

The trolls have come out in force. Ignore them. The three trolls in this thread are probably the same DU communist agitator. Who else would join a gun board right before an election and start a pro-Obamao "my gunz r safe" BS thread?

Citizen · Oct 19, 2012

Hef said:
The trolls have come out in force. Ignore them. The three trolls in this thread are probably the same DU communist agitator. Who else would join a gun board right before an election and start a pro-Obamao "my gunz r safe" BS thread?

Donkey. Where is he anyway? Its about that time. He only shows up during campaign season. Actually, he's overdue.

mohawk001 · Oct 19, 2012

How quickly the trolls forget about all the things such as his new rules for buying rifles in border states. But hey, it's easy to ignore the stuff that counters your own thinking......if you want to call it thinking.

KYGlockster · Oct 19, 2012

Joseph Cool said:
Say what you want about Obama, but when it comes to firearms the man has done nothing to make them more difficult to aquire or own. In fact I'd say the crazy conservative gun nuts have done more harm to me by making ammo and firearms scarce and expensive with their paranoid the sky is falling gotta buy as much as I can afford before it's too late attitude. This hurts real firearms enthusiests like myself looking for a good deal on a handgun or rifle. Luckily I've been reloading for decades (something the sky is falling crowd should be doing if they really are serious) so the idiots buying all the ammo don't affect me as much. The truth is these chicken littles are their own worst enemies letting elections scare them into panick buying and driving prices up for everybody.

I guess his record as a politician in Chicago means nothing, right? I guess in the debate just two days ago where he said he wanted to bring back an "assault weapons" ban means nothing, right? I guess when he said ANY firearm that belongs in the hands of a soldier when at war does NOT belong in the hands of American citizens means nothing -- since this would only mean nearly every firearm that is popular in our country today -- right?

The sky will fall if you vote to place Obama back in the White House for a second term, that I can assure you; and the man himself has already stated his intentions in a second term. You want limited magazines, ban on what they call "assault weapons," and a ban that is permanent and worse than the last one? Well, I suggest you vote for Obama, but don't come here crying when you can no longer purchase the firearms you want to purchase!

Oh, and look at his record concerning Constitutional issues while he has been in office these past four years, and then tell me if you want to elect him. I don't think I would vote for a man that has destroyed the American way of life and our Civil Liberties!

OldCurlyWolf · Oct 19, 2012

It seems that we have a couple(or more) of either trolls and/or truly ignorant people trying to start something with this thread.

Personally I wouldn't complain if the moderator total deleted this entire thread.

JMHO.

FTG-05 · Oct 19, 2012

OldCurlyWolf said:
It seems that we have a couple(or more) of either trolls and/or truly ignorant people trying to start something with this thread.

Personally I wouldn't complain if the moderator total deleted this entire thread.

JMHO.

Same here!

Obama hasn't messed witrh my guns

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