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    Left handgun in backpack at restaurant

    I left my handgun in my trail pack at a restaurant today in Bellingham Wa. By the time I went back it was turned into police. Its licensed and registered.....any legal issues with what happened today? Thanks in advance for thoughts and info.

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    Um.....

    there is no handgun registration in WA state....

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    If it ever happens again. Call and report it. It's not a crime to misplace a gun. It bothers me that someone would misplace a gun, especially in public. But as they say expletives happen.... A guy on THR, placed his gun and mag on the roof of his car. Went to work and realized that afternoon his gun was missing. Someone found it on the expressway and turned it in to police. Nothing came of it. But if you don't report, you could be responsible for bad things down the road. Since you know its at the police station. Take your ID, receipt, whatever you have to prove ownership and collect it. You'll think twice next time.
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    IANAL...... Comments based on my knowledge of WA laws and previous people's experiences with similar situations.

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    I just want to express how happy I am to learn that the handgun did not jump out of the backpack and go off, killing a bus full of student nuns. We all know how depressed those handguns get when they are left behind, whether it is in a backpack at a restaurant or in the back of the gun safe.

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    Thanks for the info Wingsfan! I happen to know the officer that picked it up....he's a good guy, should make things easier.

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    Sniff Sniff what is this a troll?
    What a stupid move and it shows the mentality of several on here for not speaking out against doing something so lame brain.
    100% irresponsible.
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    This is one reason I don't advocate off body carry.
    I once had a soldier lose (notice the correct spelling) his M4. So when I found it I gave him the choice of an article 15 or the worst smoking of his life. Then I used some 550 cord and tied the weapon to each wrist and his belt.
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    I go through each day treating all my guns like NFA items. If its not on my person its secured. Even as careful as I am. I had a scary situation. I realized a magazine slid out of my holstered Sr9. Just not knowing where it was made my stomache queezy. I found it the next day, all I can say is if losing your gun didn't make you worry to the point you won't do it again. Stop carrying everyday. I'm actually glad 50 people weren't jumping all over the guy. Yes it was a bonehead move. But I'm sure he knows that. I can't fault a guy for realizing that, feeling relief that it was found, and responsibly trying to prepare for for what the consequences might be. Before running down to collect it. In some states it might be a good idea to retain counsel before going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Sniff Sniff what is this a troll?
    My first thought is this could be a regular user here that didn't want to admit doing it, signing up for a second account.

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    Well,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleWingsfan View Post
    My first thought is this could be a regular user here that didn't want to admit doing it, signing up for a second account.
    This very same thing happened to our beretta92fslady awhile back,,, she wrote about her feelings then.
    I agree that outside the home,,, the gun should be affixed to your body,,, then you cant forget it anywhere!!!

    I was OCing at a coffee get together,,, and I brought another gun in a "book safe" rigged up
    with a strap over my shoulder, like I was carrying my home work.
    It is a method of stealth carry, good for states like calif, Illinois or New york.
    I wanted to show off my deception for my friends.

    Anywhooooo,,, After awhile we went outside for a smoke,,,
    Then,,, I realized,,, I had left that "book safe" with a gun in it,,, on the table, unattended, in the coffee shop!!!
    I went and got it, but my friends gave me some very dissaproving glaring eyebally looks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    This very same thing happened to our beretta92fslady awhile back,,, she wrote about her feelings then.
    I agree that outside the home,,, the gun should be affixed to your body,,, then you cant forget it anywhere!!!

    I was OCing at a coffee get together,,, and I brought another gun in a "book safe" rigged up
    with a strap over my shoulder, like I was carrying my home work.
    It is a method of stealth carry, good for states like calif, Illinois or New york.
    I wanted to show off my deception for my friends.

    Anywhooooo,,, After awhile we went outside for a smoke,,,
    Then,,, I realized,,, I had left that "book safe" with a gun in it,,, on the table, unattended, in the coffee shop!!!
    I went and got it, but my friends gave me some very dissaproving glaring eyebally looks...

    You may want to label your guns with your name, since you are getting pretty old. You never know when you may have a senior moment and put your gun book in the library drop slot.
    Last edited by amzbrady; 10-18-2012 at 03:30 AM.
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    Harsh crowd. My advice, never carry off body, carry concealed, carry as much ammo as you can within reason, know your states laws, and train often (usually overlooked). Good luck.
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    Time to get a holster...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Sniff Sniff what is this a troll?
    What a stupid move and it shows the mentality of several on here for not speaking out against doing something so lame brain.
    100% irresponsible.
    Oh, yes. The person is 100% irresponsible for not foreseeing that he might somehow forget his backpack. And, not leaving himself notes all around his table and on his dashboard reminding himself. And, forgetting the gun itself. That's what I do all day long--just repeat to myself that I have a gun I need to keep track of. Don't get much work done or enjoy life or anything, but by steadily reminding myself every ten seconds that I have a gun, I never forget and leave it somewhere.

    Yeah, right. Suuuuure.

    My mentality is that I'm not going to fall into the anti-gunner's trap and pretend that guns are soooooo dangerous that the world will automatically end if one gets left somewhere, even if nobody finds and misuses it. People forget things. It happens. Its part of life. Its going to happen again. And, all the accusations about irresponsibility aren't going to change that. Save the irresponsibility accusations for people who won't carry a gun to defend themselves or others. More people get hurt from that omission than by guns accidentally left somewhere.
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    Well,,, OK....

    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    You may want to label your guns with your name, since you are getting pretty old. You never know when you may have a senior moment and put your gun book in the library drop slot.
    Oh My God!!!!
    Mike,,, thank you for that!!!!!
    I Just laughed my A$$ off.....

    That is exactly how I felt when I reallized I left a gun on the table,,,
    but I could get it back,,,
    thats different than droping it in the drop off slot at the library.....
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, yes. The person is 100% irresponsible for not foreseeing that he might somehow forget his backpack. And, not leaving himself notes all around his table and on his dashboard reminding himself. And, forgetting the gun itself. That's what I do all day long--just repeat to myself that I have a gun I need to keep track of. Don't get much work done or enjoy life or anything, but by steadily reminding myself every ten seconds that I have a gun, I never forget and leave it somewhere.

    Yeah, right. Suuuuure.

    My mentality is that I'm not going to fall into the anti-gunner's trap and pretend that guns are soooooo dangerous that the world will automatically end if one gets left somewhere, even if nobody finds and misuses it. People forget things. It happens. Its part of life. Its going to happen again. And, all the accusations about irresponsibility aren't going to change that. Save the irresponsibility accusations for people who won't carry a gun to defend themselves or others. More people get hurt from that omission than by guns accidentally left somewhere.
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    "Harsh crowd. My advice, never carry off body, carry concealed, carry as much ammo as you can within reason, know your states laws, and train often (usually overlooked). Good luck."

    Dude, this is an OPEN CARRY FORUM...

    If the gun is properly holstered, and on your person, you probably won't forget it. However, when nature calls, you make a noticable thud in the ole' crapper...
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    Quote Originally Posted by decklin View Post
    This is one reason I don't advocate off body carry.
    I once had a soldier lose (notice the correct spelling) his M4. So when I found it I gave him the choice of an article 15 or the worst smoking of his life. Then I used some 550 cord and tied the weapon to each wrist and his belt.
    If that had happened during an earlier war, he'd be the designated "Burner", in charge of changing out the half barrels in the latrines and burning the contents.. Nothing like the smell of burning body waste, diesel, and gasoline, to make one never forget where his weapon is at all times. No paracord required.
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    We had a Navy petty officer attached to our battalion as an individual augmentee in Afghanistan in 2006 who left her M-16 in the portajohns. Three times. After the third incident, she had it 550-corded to her belt, and had to call in the TOC every hour and report on her weapon's location for two days.

    (Not picking on the Navy. We had several other augmentees who really shined on that tour.)

    I was fortunate (?) to lose a speedloader relatively early in my carry career, and became more paranoid about using proper carry equipment and keeping it adjusted. Mistakes happen, but you can make some easy changes to your way of doing business to minimize them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dawg View Post
    "Harsh crowd. My advice, never carry off body, carry concealed, carry as much ammo as you can within reason, know your states laws, and train often (usually overlooked). Good luck."

    Dude, this is an OPEN CARRY FORUM...

    If the gun is properly holstered, and on your person, you probably won't forget it. However, when nature calls, you make a noticable thud in the ole' crapper...
    Yes, we are in agreement. You definitely will not forget it if properly holstered on person.
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    Jandrew, carry your weapon in a holster. If you do not have one I will give you one to use untill you get one. Bellingham is not a bad city for open carry, consider it. Come to Starbucks on sunday and we will give you a bit of support (and a razzing for "forgetting your gun").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, yes. The person is 100% irresponsible for not foreseeing that he might somehow forget his backpack. And, not leaving himself notes all around his table and on his dashboard reminding himself. And, forgetting the gun itself. That's what I do all day long--just repeat to myself that I have a gun I need to keep track of. Don't get much work done or enjoy life or anything, but by steadily reminding myself every ten seconds that I have a gun, I never forget and leave it somewhere.

    Yeah, right. Suuuuure.

    My mentality is that I'm not going to fall into the anti-gunner's trap and pretend that guns are soooooo dangerous that the world will automatically end if one gets left somewhere, even if nobody finds and misuses it. People forget things. It happens. Its part of life. Its going to happen again. And, all the accusations about irresponsibility aren't going to change that. Save the irresponsibility accusations for people who won't carry a gun to defend themselves or others. More people get hurt from that omission than by guns accidentally left somewhere.
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    Yeah nothing like taking responsibility for your own acts as it is easier to try and justify it away and act like no harm no foul! Bull
    It appears your view point is to be an apologist for the stupid.
    Last edited by BigDave; 10-18-2012 at 11:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleWingsfan View Post
    My first thought is this could be a regular user here that didn't want to admit doing it, signing up for a second account.
    Or a good chance of them being an anti just wanting more ammo along with all these stupid shootings going on.
    How responsible does one feel losing their weapon in public and then to poorly try to justify it away, idiots.
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    Maintain positive control of your weapon at all times.

    That is all.
    Jesus thought it was more important to be armed than well dressed:

    Then said He unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his
    scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.~Luke 22:36

    (Emphasis mine.)

    (Note that the word "garment" here refers to an outer cloak, equivalent to today's sport coats or
    suit jackets in that they both provided warmth and conveyed a certain level of sophistication.)

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