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    Opinions on crossdraw for OC

    I have been practicing and trying different carry methods and I feel that crossdraw is the most comfortable for me while OCing.

    Are there any disadvantages to this? What are your thoughts?


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    Opinions on crossdraw for OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike View Post
    I have been practicing and trying different carry methods and I feel that crossdraw is the most comfortable for me while OCing.

    Are there any disadvantages to this? What are your thoughts?


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    The only disadvantage I can think of is that if you have to draw for self-defense you may unintentionally sweep people other than your target as you bring your gun into firing position. Some folks may tell you that an assailant may pin your arm against your body as you try to draw. I say if you let someone get that close, you're probably in trouble no matter where you draw from. As far as positive I have heard it is much more comfortable when driving or sitting for extended periods of time. If it's why you're comfortable with then I say go for it!!
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    It's totally cool!

    I need to get a custom crossdraw leather holster with thumb break. I'd wear it every day!

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    I would not choose this method of carry.
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    Opinions on crossdraw for OC

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    I would not choose this method of carry.
    And would you care to elaborate?
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    I have tried OC with the holster I have ("Cop 3 slot") in different positions, and have found crossdraw to be the most comfortable. I would carry that way every day, except that that position makes it near impossible to release the thumbbreak due to my body style. IMHO if a person is not that experienced in weapon retention (I know, get training and lots of it!) and/or does not have at least a Level II holster, this would be great for helping guard against attempted "gun grabs".

    DISCLAIMER: I am by no means an expert and am not singling out any particular person in my comments. I am only stating what I have seen and experienced.

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    Really hard to sit down with a larger firearm, lots of extra movement to draw... I like the 4 o'clock position more than anything else, with a 15 degree forward cant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I would not choose this method of carry.
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigsd View Post
    And would you care to elaborate?
    As stated in my first post I would not, I find with me it is more difficult to draw from, added time to draw and get on target, no longer one smooth motion and the higher likelihood of having your firearm sweep others around you when drawing.
    I have trained and continue to train with my firearm at the 3 to 4 o'clock position and it fits me well.
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    When I used to work armed security I would often carry my 4" .357 cross draw depending on the contract. It's easier to draw from a seated position and if done right you're not flagging non targets any more than you would drawing from a regular carry. There is a chance to flag your own leg and private bits. With practice I found I could draw and be on target just as fast cross draw as standard, in fact often much faster because of the type of holster set up I had for regular carry.

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    I tried crossdraw for about 5 minutes once. I realized I could switch my serpa to a crossdraw configuration, so I did hoping it would make sitting in the car more comfortable (I have narrow, supportive bucket seats in my Subaru. A far cry from bench seats). It did, but it felt REALLY weird having my pistol grip jutting out in front of me while I was standing. I decided the awkward look wasn't worth the temporary, and only slight extra comfort in the car (not to mention the other drawbacks mentioned). So I switched it back and just make sure the holster is in a very specific location somewhere between 8 and 9 o'clock.
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    Crossdraw is the only way I draw from because of shoulder injuries.

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    Re: Opinions on crossdraw for OC

    I OC my 7.5inch redhawk 44mag in a bianchi crossdraw with a thumb break. Very comfortable, and for a longer barreled weapon it's much more practical unless you are using a thigh rig. Also stays out of the way of pack and rifle slings.

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    Opinions on crossdraw for OC

    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I'm too fat...
    Thanks for being brave enough to say what big Dave wasn't.

    It's not a big deal if your body type is not right for a particular carry method. Just say so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I'm too fat...
    +1, cross draw don't work well for me for that reason
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    I like cross draw myself. I have a cross draw holster for my Rock Island 1911 and prefer it for open carry. I'm right handed, so I think I could fight off a gun grab with my right hand better than my left. Cross draw allows me to use my left hand to keep the gun in the holster while I fight with my stronger and more coordinated right hand.

    As for the sweeping. Gun forums seem to have this hysteria about sweeping strangers in a crowd, or over-penetration of their SD rounds and hitting bystanders. The problem with all that is that the most likely crime you or I will ever be subjected to will not happen in a crowd, but in some isolated place. Criminals don't mug their victims on a crowded city street, but down an alley or someplace where they can isolate their victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    +1, cross draw don't work well for me for that reason

    I'm a big guy, and cross draw worked very well for me. I switched back because the gun was just too darn heavy. Might switch back with the new CZ if I like it. A few points:

    Extra time to draw: Negligible. We're talking hundredths of a second here. That matters in competition shoots, not a real crisis situation in the real world. Old west "draw pardner" doesn't happen.

    Muzzle sweep: This is a training issue, pure & simple. I got it to where I could draw without sweeping anything that was more than a few feet away. Then it was nearly the same motion as the "standard" draw. And muzzle sweeping in an actual self defense situation is a pretty minor concern, you're likely to do it either way, and nothing bad will happen as long as you're keeping to the rule right before that one, KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH until you're on target.

    Big plusses for me me are, first off, weapon retention. You can train & train & train but simple fact is, it's gonna be a lot harder for someone IN FRONT of you to take your gun than BEHIND YOU. Also leaves your strong hand free (while securing the weapon with your weak hand) to deploy your Plan B. Also made me much more comfortable doing my business in a public bathroom with people milling about behind me. Strong side carry, that always makes me nervous.

    No one mentioned it, but as long as the angle's not too much, you can also DRAW WITH YOUR WEAK HAND (called a cavalry draw) if your sidearm is ambidextrous. Takes practice, but what doesn't?

    Sitting in a car: Try doing a standard draw while sitting in a car with bucket seats, console, seat belt, etc. Like most vehicles are these days. Go on, just try it. Probably won't work too well. Carrying cross draw puts in a very easy to access spot when driving (and lets face it, most of us spend a good chunk of our time armed doing just that), AND it's that much closer to pointing out the driver's window where your threat is most likely to come from. Threat from the passenger side? Cavalry draw like I mentioned. Yes, you might sweep your tender bits or something else doing that. Better than letting the bad guy win, and again just try drawing and point towards the passenger side strong-side carry.

    Yes there are draw backs, but the same is true of ANYTHING down to what gun you carry.
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    Boo-hoo, even if I sweep someone...there's something more important going on.

    And why would your finger be on the trigger as you draw anyway?


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    If you are on the range learn the cross draw dance, to keep from getting kicked off the range. It also presents less of yourself as a target, and a better stance for firing. Take a half step back with the strong foot, this will prevent the sweeping, give a more smooth draw and presentation, as well as a fighting stance that is more solid. This is required in SASS for cross draw.
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    In his book, No Second Place Winner, Bill Jordan very briefly discusses one or two disadvantages against cross-draw. I think he even cites that law-enforcement cancelled cross-draw for one of these reasons (Jordan rose high in the Border Patrol and was a goodguy gunman of some reputation back in the day. Say 1940's-1960's.)

    When facing an adversary, cross-draw presents the butt to your opponent. A gun-grab, according to Jordan, is very easy from this position. His book has a photo of a cop putting a badguy into a cruiser or something to show how easy from the positioning--not something that an OCer is likely to encounter.

    Also, if your adversary is inside your reactionary gap (the space that gives you time to react) and in front of you, he can easily pin your gun in your holster by trapping your hand on your gun as you reach for it.

    Now, if you think through on it a little bit, about the only time these will be a problem is when you are facing an antagonist who is not yet a real threat. Just heated, lets call it. And, thus maybe gets within arms reach during a heated discussion. This problem is easily solved by maintaining distance if you can. If you can't back up very far, its a different story. I kinda think those circumstances are likely to be rare enough as to not be the deciding factor. So, those alone didn't dissuade me.

    But, what if you encounter a situation where lethal force is not justified, but you have to defend yourself against, say, a fist-fight assault or something. Now, your gun is within easy reach of the assailant, and if he decides to escalate by pulling a gun--yours--suddenly he's in a great position to do so if he's mostly in front or a little to your weak side where the cross-draw holster is located.

    Between, these three circumstances, I decided against cross-draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    As stated in my first post I would not, I find with me it is more difficult to draw from, added time to draw and get on target, no longer one smooth motion and the higher likelihood of having your firearm sweep others around you when drawing.
    I have trained and continue to train with my firearm at the 3 to 4 o'clock position and it fits me well.
    I have to agree with Dave on all points with this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Try doing a standard draw while sitting in a car with bucket seats, console, seat belt, etc.
    Easy with a 15 degree forward cant.
    Jesus thought it was more important to be armed than well dressed:

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    scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.~Luke 22:36

    (Emphasis mine.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubex DE View Post
    Easy with a 15 degree forward cant.
    Maybe in a 1972 Chevy pickup with a bench seat and lap belts, but not in the circumstances he just described.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    There's no one method that's perfect for all situations. I prefer the standard 3-4 O'clock position for most carry. If driving for long hours that position sucks as it usually interferes with my Seat Belt or vice versa. For long driving trips I merely change to a shoulder holster or a cross draw. Since most threats, when in a car, will approach from the driver's side it's also easier to bring the weapon to the target than having to cross your body.

    BTW, what's all the paranoia over "sweeping" in a Self Defense situation? Maybe when handling a firearm in a Gun Shop or at the range but in "combat", all rules are pretty much suspended except rule #1---Stay Alive! Carry a good quality firearm and keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
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    Sweeping of the innocent is hazard we all should be concerned with and we are responsible for everything that comes out of the barrel, while one may not be criminally charged but a civil suit is a real possibility where one can lose by a preponderance of the evidence.

    For many who feel the holster position while sitting in a vehicle is priority one but clearly have not shot from the seated position and out the drivers window, aim shooting is out the window sort of speak and point shooting becomes the only option.
    Many experts have said that the most deadly place to be in seated in a car during a gun fight so one has to get out of the car and moving to cover while employing their firearm, holster position as to cross draw, shoulder and standard strong side hip position will determine how well you can get your firearm out and on target while minimizing a threat to the innocents that can be by.
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