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    <sarcasm> Where can I sign up? This sounds like fun! I get to destroy anti-american scum who want to live their own lives and not the lives the government ordained for them! I wan to join and have my head shrunk into compliance!!!</sarcasm>

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    Hitler Youth~

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    Oh, jeez. I had forgotten about them. So, the National Socialists went ahead with the program.

    Sounds like we need a Liberty Youth Corps.

    Individual local chapters can be called Committees of Correspondence.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I just read a similar article at http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-a...h-2445482.html , which says, in-part:
    October 7, 2012. Vicksburg. The federal government calls them FEMA Corps. But they conjure up memories of the Hitler Youth of 1930’s Germany. Regardless of their name, the Dept of Homeland Security has just graduated its first class of 231 Homeland Youth. Kids, aged 18-24 and recruited from the President’s AmeriCorp volunteers, they represent the first wave of DHS’s youth corps, designed specifically to create a full time, paid, standing army of FEMA Youth across the country.
    Now connect the dots between that and this (which raised some eyebrows in this forum a couple of months ago):
    One look at a chart of DHS ammunition purchases over the past decade reveals a drastic spike in orders of bullets recently, totaling in the billions of rounds. Other charts available online show a similar drastic spike in the purchases of accompanying weaponry by the Department of Homeland Security.
    Yep... sounds like Hitler's Jugend to me. The sad thing is that none of these kids is old enough to realize exactly what they have become a part of, and jobs are hard to find. So, now they're on the government payroll. I have to wonder if they're paid with "30 pieces of silver"? Pax...
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    Those who do not learn from History are doomed to repete it. My Grandfather told Me Hitler's youth were told they were Only protecting thier Homeland Also. we all know how that worked out.
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    With drones being used on citizens, and numerous other programs like this, I have to wonder when people will wake up and realize what has happened to their freedom. Americans have been dumbed down to a point that I am not sure they can ever recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalman383 View Post
    With drones being used on citizens, and numerous other programs like this, I have to wonder when people will wake up and realize what has happened to their freedom. Americans have been dumbed down to a point that I am not sure they can ever recover.
    We have the left-wing controlled media to thank for both those situations. I have seen no (zip, zero, goose-egg, nada, none) reports in the "lamestream media" regarding either the internal use of spy drones, or complaining about the lack of reportage on the usurpation of our Constitution by the Socialist-"Progressive" movement. We must accept responsibility for OUR OWN "Homeland Youth Corps", educating our children and grandchildren (or anybody else that will listen) about the rights guaranteed by our Constitution, the practical application of those rights, and the methods used by those who would eliminate those rights. One cannot defend against tactics they do not recognize as such. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Time to "duck and cover" people.

    If you thought it's been nasty before this, wait and see!
    Oh, I don't know. If you recall, the Brownshirts were pretty numerous. This bunch only got 250 together. Where they gonna put 'em? Spread 'em out over the whole US.

    I'm not saying its not a really bad idea, or that it should be tolerated. I'm saying we shouldn't get alarmed about their effectiveness just, yet. There is still plenty of time to sink this program.


    It occurs to me that this program comes along at a time when most of the WWII generation are already gone. Meaning, the grandmothers and grandfathers who could expose this to the grandkid candidates for the program are gone mostly gone. The eye-witnesses to that time period are getting thin on the ground.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, I don't know. If you recall, the Brownshirts were pretty numerous. This bunch only got 250 together. Where they gonna put 'em? Spread 'em out over the whole US.

    I'm not saying its not a really bad idea, or that it should be tolerated. I'm saying we shouldn't get alarmed about their effectiveness just, yet. There is still plenty of time to sink this program.

    It occurs to me that this program comes along at a time when most of the WWII generation are already gone. Meaning, the grandmothers and grandfathers who could expose this to the grandkid candidates for the program are gone mostly gone. The eye-witnesses to that time period are getting thin on the ground.
    First - the Brownshirts did not start out as thousands, or even hundreds, of members. But by the time it became obvious they needed to be sunk there were just too many of them and not enough of those wanting to sink them.

    Second - fortunately the eyewitnesses have left us their testimonies and both written and film documentation. There will always be some who claim they lie, and some who claim it could never have been "that bad". But there are a few who do in fact read history and learn from it in an attempt not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

    There are great similarities between 1927-1933 and the present. The same easy answers are available to solve the same complex questions. The difference is primarily the internet - it makes it harder to stifle the voices of dissent. (Look at China and even North Korea.) Are we about to find out if in fact the pen (the keyboard) is mightier than the sword? MOLON LAVE for both.

    stay safe.
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    I think that everyone who is frightened should find an attic to hide in. Don't make a sound. We will tell you when it's safe to come out. (Thanks Lewis Black).

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    I think that everyone who is frightened should find an attic to hide in. Don't make a sound. We will tell you when it's safe to come out. (Thanks Lewis Black).

    You are absolutely right, and welcome to the heard of Sheeple. Don't worry at all, the Government is only looking out four your best interest.

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    They thought they were free

    Milton Mayer's They thought they Were Free

    "You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

    "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
    Free book if you have an e-reader and one I highly recommend. Written shortly after WWII, and trying to get to the basis of why good people would allow a wicked government.

    I also recommend Ludwig Von Mises Omnipotent Government. Written before the end of of the war. Like Skidmark brought out the similiarities, to me are scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Milton Mayer's They thought they Were Free [ http://educate-yourself.org/cn/thoug...e20apr05.shtml ] ETA by skidmark

    Free book if you have an e-reader and one I highly recommend. Written shortly after WWII, and trying to get to the basis of why good people would allow a wicked government.

    I also recommend Ludwig Von Mises Omnipotent Government. [ http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Mises12.pdf ] - aaslo ETA by skidmark Written before the end of of the war. Like Skidmark brought out the similiarities, to me are scary.
    This http://www.joehuffman.org/freedom/jewsintheattic.htm is how I test everything coming down the pike.

    It's amazing how much "stuff" that's been proposed does not pass. OK, "amazing" is probably not the right word, but "frightening" is just too, well, frightening.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, I don't know. If you recall, the Brownshirts were pretty numerous. This bunch only got 250 together. Where they gonna put 'em? Spread 'em out over the whole US.
    This is only the FIRST CLASS to graduate, and they are assigned in "teams of 8-12", which is 20+ teams. How many classes are in session? I have no idea, but look below at the number of locations (I assume for training, since that was my Google query) - all 50 states, plus 4 territories/possessions. Let's assume the training is no longer than Basic Military Training - which averages out to 9.2 weeks - that's 5.6 classes per training facility, per year - IF they only run one class at a time. Just for the sake of argument, let's say there are only THREE training locations in the USA (my guess is that there are probably 50), and that each class is maxed out at 250 "students"... or 4,200 graduates per year. However... if my guess is correct, then there would be 70,000 graduates annually, or 1,296 per state/territory/possession - or a small fraction less than 130 teams of 10. Lots of guess work here because there's very little statistical information available on the what, where, when, how often and how many, from https://my.americorps.gov/ :

    SUMMARY
    Program Type:
    AmeriCorps NCCC

    Program
    AmeriCorps NCCC FEMA Corps - Winter 2013

    Program Start/End Date
    02/01/2013 - 12/31/2013

    Work Schedule Full Time

    Education level
    Less than high school completed

    Age Requirement
    Minimum: 18 Maximum: 24

    Program Locations ALASKA , ALABAMA , ARKANSAS , AMERICAN SAMOA , ARIZONA , CALIFORNIA , COLORADO , CONNECTICUT , DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA , DELAWARE , FLORIDA , GEORGIA , GUAM , HAWAII , IOWA , IDAHO , ILLINOIS , INDIANA , KANSAS , KENTUCKY , LOUISIANA , MASSACHUSETTS , MARYLAND , MAINE , MICHIGAN , MINNESOTA , MISSOURI , MISSISSIPPI , MONTANA , NORTH CAROLINA , NORTH DAKOTA , NEBRASKA , NEW HAMPSHIRE , NEW JERSEY , NEW MEXICO , NEVADA , NEW YORK , OHIO , OKLAHOMA , OREGON , PENNSYLVANIA , PUERTO RICO , RHODE ISLAND , SOUTH CAROLINA , SOUTH DAKOTA , TENNESSEE , TEXAS , UTAH , VIRGINIA , VIRGIN ISLANDS , VERMONT , WASHINGTON , WISCONSIN , WEST VIRGINIA , WYOMING

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    OK, you guys have convinced me. One standing army, not subject to posse comitatus, on the way.
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Oh, jeez. I had forgotten about them. So, the National Socialists went ahead with the program.

    Sounds like we need a Liberty Youth Corps.

    Individual local chapters can be called Committees of Correspondence.
    The modern Committees are up and running as we speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    OK, you guys have convinced me. One standing army, not subject to posse comitatus, on the way.
    Got militia? We do.

    Anyways, you guys can help me with my little project: "Crimes against the Constitution" if you really see what is coming down the pipe. History doesn't exactly repeat itself but it sure tries...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    This http://www.joehuffman.org/freedom/jewsintheattic.htm is how I test everything coming down the pike.

    It's amazing how much "stuff" that's been proposed does not pass. OK, "amazing" is probably not the right word, but "frightening" is just too, well, frightening.

    stay safe.
    Thanks for the link! Simple yet very effective!

    staying safe is getting harder to do........

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom First View Post
    The modern Committees are up and running as we speak.



    Got militia? We do.

    Anyways, you guys can help me with my little project: "Crimes against the Constitution" if you really see what is coming down the pipe. History doesn't exactly repeat itself but it sure tries...
    This gentleman that used to sit at our table at our weekly OC meets, said one time " History don't repeat itself conduct does" although this was semantical it struck a chord with me. This was from someone who personally doesn't like guns but respected our position on it. So like you said although history doesn't exactly repeat itself it sure tries, because conduct is predictable, this will happen if this happens. It is why Austrian school of economics have successfully predicted every "depression" in the last century or so.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Many police have similar youth programs ... all hail federal and state governments !

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    So, when do we stand up against this?

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    Side note I was not advocating breaking any law.

    I was simple asking questions.
    Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom1Man View Post
    Side note I was not advocating breaking any law.

    I was simple asking questions.
    I was thinking along these lines just yesterday. Its totally understandable that John wants no illegal advocacy on his forum. Makes total sense.

    But, being a bit of a history buff, it occurred to me there is no guarantee of a revolution being the major earth-shifting change. One of the most dramatic and far-reaching changes in government occurred under Julius Caesar. But, its important to recognize that he was the final step, not the first. The Roman constitution was continually subverted, ignored, etc, over the last, say, 50 years of the Republic, setting the stage for him to come along and try for power.

    Something else, too. You find in history a number of times when economic upsets triggered changes in government. Germany in the 1930's was in the throes of inflation from overprinting money. The common people in France in 1789 were in very serious economic troubles. I'll toss a dart blindfolded and say that the American Revolution was probably almost unique in the near absence of economic upset. The colonists were bent out of shape about taxes which were comparatively light, and the searches and seizures that tried to enforce violations of the tax laws.

    Liberty doesn't seem to interest too many people. Full bellies and a warm home with a dry roof seem to content many. I suspect lots and lots of Americans will go right along with the current government scheme until it hits their bellies. When the insecurity of being unable to pay for housing, food, fuel and so forth hits enough people, then they'll willing to make changes. I am afraid whichever demagogues come along with the best story will be the ones to receive support. Its a sure bet those demagogues won't be any more interested in preserving our constitution than Julius Caesar was his.

    A biographer remarked that Caesar must have wondered why others couldn't see what he saw--that the Republic was already dead. It is plain that the fedgov no longer follows the constitution very much.

    How long until somebody in power decides its dead?
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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    COMMENTS REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR: We work within the system to change things.

    ...and when an oppressive regime alters the System to remove our ability to change things within their New System ??

    /rhetorical
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyMtnScotsman View Post
    ...and when an oppressive regime changes the System to remove our ability to change things with their New System ??
    I believe that one of the premises of this board is that we are not there yet.

    There are plenty of sites that think we are. If you wish to discuss change of that nature, may I suggest posting there? Be careful. Those sites are closely monitored by the FBI.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I believe that one of the premises of this board is that we are not there yet.

    There are plenty of sites that think we are. If you wish to discuss change of that nature, may I suggest posting there? Be careful. Those sites are closely monitored by the FBI.


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    I'm sure this site is closely monitored by the FBI too.

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