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    Wayne State University

    I asked campus security for a detail about OC and CC on campus and this was my reply... How do long existing policies like this even start? I am quite upset by this. Is this not public property, being a public university?


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    Thank you for your email.

    Under the WSU Student Code of Conduct, WSU students are prohibited (by University policy) from carrying or possessing any/all types of firearms on the Wayne State University campus. WSU employees are also under the same prohibition, via the WSU Work Place Violence policy. This prohibition applies to both CPL holders as well as "open carry" advocates. Only certified police officers, with valid credentials in their possession, are exempt from this policy.

    Under existing Michigan law, WSU Students and staff are free to "conceal carry" (under state statute) or "open carry" (under the Michigan constitution) on any city of Detroit public sidewalk (adjacent to the campus). However, entering onto the campus with a concealed or exposed firearm violates long existing university policy.

    Students found in violation of the weapons prohibition of the Student Code of Conduct, face administrative sanctions ranging from Suspension to Expulsion. Faculty and staff found in violation of the weapons prohibition of the Work Place Violence policy, face administrative sanctions ranging from Suspension to Termination.

    See section 2.12 (on page 3) and section 4.3 (on page 4) of the Student Code of Conduct, found at the following link:

    http://doso.wayne.edu/codeofconduct.pdf

    The firearms prohibition (under the student Code of Conduct and the Work Place Violence policy) applies to ALL university properties, including all buildings (including parking structures), open grounds and surface parking lots.



    Lt. Dave Scott
    Crime Prevention Section
    Wayne State University Police
    6050 Cass Avenue
    Detroit, MI 48202

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeus314 View Post
    I asked campus security for a detail about OC and CC on campus and this was my reply... How do long existing policies like this even start? I am quite upset by this. Is this not public property, being a public university?


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    Thank you for your email.

    Under the WSU Student Code of Conduct, WSU students are prohibited (by University policy) from carrying or possessing any/all types of firearms on the Wayne State University campus. WSU employees are also under the same prohibition, via the WSU Work Place Violence policy. This prohibition applies to both CPL holders as well as "open carry" advocates. Only certified police officers, with valid credentials in their possession, are exempt from this policy.

    Under existing Michigan law, WSU Students and staff are free to "conceal carry" (under state statute) or "open carry" (under the Michigan constitution) on any city of Detroit public sidewalk (adjacent to the campus). However, entering onto the campus with a concealed or exposed firearm violates long existing university policy.

    Students found in violation of the weapons prohibition of the Student Code of Conduct, face administrative sanctions ranging from Suspension to Expulsion. Faculty and staff found in violation of the weapons prohibition of the Work Place Violence policy, face administrative sanctions ranging from Suspension to Termination.

    See section 2.12 (on page 3) and section 4.3 (on page 4) of the Student Code of Conduct, found at the following link:

    http://doso.wayne.edu/codeofconduct.pdf

    The firearms prohibition (under the student Code of Conduct and the Work Place Violence policy) applies to ALL university properties, including all buildings (including parking structures), open grounds and surface parking lots.



    Lt. Dave Scott
    Crime Prevention Section
    Wayne State University Police
    6050 Cass Avenue
    Detroit, MI 48202
    It is, however as a student they do have a certain amount of leverage over you.
    My reasons to OC
    1. to raise awareness of the legality of open carry in Michigan
    2. To raise awareness that good people carry guns
    3. A deterrent to people so that I won't be targeted
    4. Because it's more comfortable than CC in most situations
    5. Because I can and want to
    6. Because it's perfectly legal
    7. Self defense

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    I actually think he sent a good email reply back to you.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Go to the Cass Corridor unarmed? That's like the punch line to a sick joke.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
    Go to the Cass Corridor unarmed? That's like the punch line to a sick joke.
    Quoted for truth! Been there on many occasion's in the past for work , even carrying three firearms (1 OC & 2 CC) I felt uneasy.

    Not sure why I'm sure DPD has a 30 second response time in the Corridor...
    Last edited by FreeInAZ; 10-26-2012 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Sarcasm via purple text ;)

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    Most academic palaces* are opposed to the presence of firearms because, when you get to the bottom line, the possession of a firearm means you are not dependent on someone else and you have the means to resist any attempt to force you into doing something you might otherwise not agree to do. See Marko Kloos' (not Major Caudill, the plagerizing (*@#^$) essay http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.co...-civilization/ .

    Academic palaces have a long history of pushing a particular philosphy/world view and coming down hard on students that do not accept the approved doctrine. They also claim to be places that encourage examination and debate about ideas, but it seems to turn out that they really do not like when the accepted position is challenged. They even say that they fear that the mere presence of a firearm has a "chilling effect" on discussion, and that they fear that should the person with the firearm find themselves not prevailing they would use the firearm to coerce or silence the opposing side. Can you say "projection"? I knew you could.

    The only way to keep students, faculty and staff in line (just like keeping anybody else in line) is to have power over them to the point that you can control their behavior. As Mr. Kloos so elequently details it,
    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, thatís it.
    The gun allows one to "demand" that reason be the way to deal with one another.

    stay safe.

    * Academic "palaces" - because they are where those that think they are the rulers of knowledge reside. They are where those who think they have the "right" answers can be found. They are where folks who believe they are the Princes of education live.
    "He'll regret it to his dying day....if ever he lives that long."----The Quiet Man

    Because stupidity isn't a race, and everybody can win.

    "No matter how much contempt you have for the media in all this, you don't have enough"
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    This may be an interesting discussion to follow...

    http://www.migunowners.org/forum/sho...d.php?t=199393
    Rights are like muscles. You must EXERCISE THEM to keep them from becoming atrophied.

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