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    Does anyone have any letters or emails from target on whether they allow or don't allow guns?

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    I was stopped by the police at the Target in Montgomery, AL. They tried to trespass me when they couldn't get me on a gun charge. The manager contacted corporate and was told in no uncertain terms NOT to trespass me. My gun and I were welcome.

    The recording of the stop is on the Internet. There is a thread in the Alabama on the encounter and it has a link to the audio.


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    I have had no issues with the one here in Kentucky when I go there. But I do not go there much. I use to have a friend who worked security there and he said they had no problem with it. It has been about 6 months though since I have been in there.
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    I was in the Target store in Fond Du Lac last week. There were no no gun signs in the entrance. I check everywhere I go and saw none.

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    I currently work for Target, I can't remember what their policy was for customers carrying. But I remember the training material basically saying that if you see someone with a gun, don't approach them, run away and hide or something along those lines. Srsly.

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    We did confirm some years ago that Target had a no guns policy for customers. But, that was something on the order of 4-5 years ago. It may have changed.
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    I was asked to leave a Target a couple of years ago because of "mall policy". Since then, I've shopped at their stand-alone stores here in Virginia with no issues.

    I wouldn't go asking if corporate policy has changed. If there's documentation showing corporate policy is to follow state laws, we don't want that to change.

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    I don't know how to make this an any clearer answer to the OP's question.

    1. I was stopped by the police for OC in a Target.
    2. The police asked the store manager to trespass me.
    3. The store manager called corporate.
    4. Corporate's answer amounted to "Don't you dare!"*


    It is absolutely clear that Target allows carry, even OC, where lawful. Period.


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    On edit: *This is why I am convinced that corporate policy is to allow carry and that stores who do not allow carry are going against policy. The manager called corporate and had to tell the officers on the scene that he could not trespass me for openly carrying a firearm in the Target store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I don't know how to make this an any clearer answer to the OP's question.

    1. I was stopped by the police for OC in a Target.
    2. The police asked the store manager to trespass me.
    3. The store manager called corporate.
    4. Corporate's answer amounted to "Don't you dare!"

    It is absolutely clear that Target allows carry, even OC, where lawful. Period.


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    You could make it clearer by posting evidence to back up your incident.
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    Thanks everyone for the updates. I appreciate the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    You could make it clearer by posting evidence to back up your incident.
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    If something is wrong for ONE person to do to another, it is still wrong if a BILLION people do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina guy View Post
    +1
    I frankly don't care whether SVG believes me or not. He has long since been on my not-worth-reading (aka ignore) list.

    However, for you and others who might be curious, I posted a thread when the incident happened. There is a partial summary of the recording in the thread. I have bumped it so it will be easy to find in the Alabama section and have added a link to the audio to the last post.

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    I carry in our local Target all the time, never been a problem, their security is well aware as I've seen them check me out a few times, but never an issue.
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    Re: Target stores

    I'll jump on the "me too" bandwagon: I OC at the Target stores in the Milwaukee area frequently and have never had an issue.

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    I don't open carry, but I've never seen one in NE Ohio that banned concealed carry.

    I go to the one near my house armed all of the time.

    So no, they don't have a blanket "no guns" policy.
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    Good recording...you handled it well.
    Last edited by carolina guy; 10-24-2012 at 12:58 PM.
    If something is wrong for ONE person to do to another, it is still wrong if a BILLION people do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    I don't open carry, but I've never seen one in NE Ohio that banned concealed carry.

    I go to the one near my house armed all of the time.

    So no, they don't have a blanket "no guns" policy.
    I suspect that store is going against corporate policy. Have you contacted corporate regarding that store.

    BTW, Alabama had a state-wide meeting in the Starbuck's inside the Target in Prattville, about a dozen folks, all OCing in that Target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I suspect that store is going against corporate policy. Have you contacted corporate regarding that store.

    BTW, Alabama had a state-wide meeting in the Starbuck's inside the Target in Prattville, about a dozen folks, all OCing in that Target.
    This is one of the reasons I think Eye is [incorrect in how he approaches these issues]

    A few posts above he insults a few readers by saying "I don't know how to make this any clearer..." regarding a single store that didn't trespass him. Like some of us are stupid for not accepting his earlier report about his store as representing nationwide corporate policy.

    And, in this post he suspects another store is going against corporate policy...

    Meaning, he's never seen the nationwide corporate policy. And, has no documentation to back it up. We're supposed to take his word for it.

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    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    I don't go to Target, I don't like red.
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    In the absence of written policy, we generally recommend "don't ask, don't tell." Just carry normally.

    Regarding businesses with unknown policies, you do want to consider whether you want to risk being trespassed. Its pretty rare--most just ask you to leave. But, it does come up every once in a great while.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Can you be trespassed without knowing you are trespassing? That is a new one on me. I thought a "property owner" had to ask you to leave and you then refuse to leave.

    I'm pretty sure that every Target store does not have a No Trespassing sign posted on their property during business hours.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Can you be trespassed without knowing you are trespassing? That is a new one on me. I thought a "property owner" had to ask you to leave and you then refuse to leave.

    I'm pretty sure that every Target store does not have a No Trespassing sign posted on their property during business hours.
    I think in the retail world the term refers more to being identified down to name and address so a letter of notification can be sent telling you that you are forbidden to come into the store and that the next time you come in the store you will be arrested for trespass.
    Last edited by Citizen; 10-24-2012 at 02:24 PM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    This is one of the reasons I think Eye is [incorrect in how he approaches these issues]

    A few posts above he insults a few readers by saying "I don't know how to make this any clearer..." regarding a single store that didn't trespass him. Like some of us are stupid for not accepting his earlier report about his store as representing nationwide corporate policy.

    And, in this post he suspects another store is going against corporate policy...

    Meaning, he's never seen the nationwide corporate policy. And, has no documentation to back it up. We're supposed to take his word for it.

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    Dear John,

    Are you planning to re-write Eye's insult in post #10 above? A little evenhandedness here would be nice.
    Last edited by Citizen; 10-24-2012 at 02:30 PM.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Can you be trespassed without knowing you are trespassing? That is a new one on me. I thought a "property owner" had to ask you to leave and you then refuse to leave.

    I'm pretty sure that every Target store does not have a No Trespassing sign posted on their property during business hours.
    I cannot speak to how it works elsewhere, but in the situation at Target in Montgomery, "being trespassed" referred to an official notification for the officers on the scene that I must leave and may never return. If I were to refuse to leave, or if I returned, then I could be charged with trespassing, having already been "trespassed."

    As I said, though, the manager called corporate and was explicitly told that he could not trespass me for open carry, much to the dismay of the officers whom I had to inform that they could not trespass me without Target requesting such.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I frankly don't care whether SVG believes me or not. He has long since been on my not-worth-reading (aka ignore) list.

    However, for you and others who might be curious, I posted a thread when the incident happened. There is a partial summary of the recording in the thread. I have bumped it so it will be easy to find in the Alabama section and have added a link to the audio to the last post.
    A quick copy/paste would be great. As much effort as you put into actually typing out a post. Its generally considered polite to make things easy to follow and understand for the readers of your posts, especially if you have something you are trying to point out.
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