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    As I left BoA Wednesday evening approached by a Security Guard

    I live in Kitsap County, Just on the out skirts of Port Orchard for many years I have always carried openly. In all those years the only store or restaurant I have ever been asked to not take my gun in with me is Costco. I have no problem with that after all I pay for my membership and in doing so I agree to their rules. It was yesterday as I was leaving my branch of BoA the security guard approached me, He asked if had ever had trouble going in the bank openly carrying my handgun as I do all the time. I said no as I have never had anyone question me before this. I have had Sheriff Deputy’s ask me what I was carrying or sometimes a person will come up and say thank you for excursing your right to carry. Most of the time I confess a little embarrassed when this happens. Here is why I have always carried openly first of all I rarely ever where a coat, one of the reasons I love living in Western Washington is for the most part I have little need for a coat because of that I just carry openly. I wear it when I go into any bank, Wal-Mart, Sizzler, The Aloha Kitchen (which has fantastic food by the way) Arco, 7-11 stores, anywhere you might go when you are running your errands or shopping. Never once I have ever had problem or had anything negative said. Which brings me to the security guard who was armed I might add. I was astounded by how uniformed most people seem to be about whether you can carry openly or not. After explaining how my right to carry is protected by our State Constitution; I really am not trying to demonstrate or force anyone to respect my rights, I simply feel that the one time I leave my gun at home will be the one time I should have had it. Just think if just one person in Colorado had brought their gun with them that night it would have been a completely different outcome. My personal opinion has always been that if every law abiding American Citizen carried their personal weapon with them we would see a drastic reduction in all crimes. As it is now the criminals have the upper hand as most of us do not own a gun of any kind, yet of those who do own a handgun very few choose to carry it. Even those who have Concealed weapons permit do not carry every day. Here is what I left the security guard with, ”Every time you leave your gun at home you risk becoming another stat on the crime sheet, by carrying your weapon with you are saying to criminal element that I am armed pass on by.) I am just shy of 55 and I have carried for openly for 30 of those years. Of course some of that I was during my Service in the Army. Still I would sooner leave my Wallet wrist watch then leave the house without my High-Point .45 currently my favorite handgun. My better half also carry’s every where she goes as well, she does carry in her purse, which to this day I still think of as luggage. Any other males ever try to pick a women’s purse up? My Army back pack was not as heavy as my wife’s purse, I swear my last hernia surgery was because my attempt at picking it up for her. Bottom line here I would rather have answer questions, show my ID to an officer of the law if asked then be somewhere needing it and not having it.

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    I banked with BOA in Port Orchard up until a couple months back when I closed my 4 accounts due to their...... never mind...

    I have seen their guards.

    Never have any of them been armed.

    When did this change?

    Even after closing the accounts, 2 months later to be exact, I get a notice of a savings account overdrawn... This was an account that had been closed!!!

    Is this ANY Better?
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    Rhino1121 -

    Welcome to OCDO.

    Please understand that around here we try and communicate with each other in a manner that makes it easy for both sides. There are Spelling and Grammer Nazis to be sure, but we sort of ignore most of what they say, and just gnash our teeth at the mistakes in perfect writing and move on.

    But a solid wall of text? And only one space between sentences on that wall?

    If I knew you better I might be wondering if you were being intentionally impolite by the way you posted. But I don't know you better. And as much as I may personally dislike stream-of-consiousness writing style, I have learned to live with it.

    But a solid wall of text?

    As a personal favor, would you consider going back and editing it to put some paragraph breaks in? I'd greatly appreciate it, as I actually do want to know what happened at your BoA branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    Rhino1121 -

    Welcome to OCDO.

    Please understand that around here we try and communicate with each other in a manner that makes it easy for both sides. There are Spelling and Grammer Nazis to be sure, but we sort of ignore most of what they say, and just gnash our teeth at the mistakes in perfect writing and move on.

    But a solid wall of text? And only one space between sentences on that wall?

    If I knew you better I might be wondering if you were being intentionally impolite by the way you posted. But I don't know you better. And as much as I may personally dislike stream-of-consiousness writing style, I have learned to live with it.

    But a solid wall of text?

    As a personal favor, would you consider going back and editing it to put some paragraph breaks in? I'd greatly appreciate it, as I actually do want to know what happened at your BoA branch.

    stay safe.
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    Types like my son used to talk.

    Just goes on...and on...and on.

    At least the guy didn't give ya a hard time.

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    Please indulge me.

    I live in Kitsap County, just on the out skirts of Port Orchard for many years and I have always carried openly. In all those years the only store or restaurant I have ever been asked to not take my gun in with me is Costco. I have no problem with that, after all I pay for my membership and in doing so I agree to their rules.

    It was yesterday as I was leaving my branch of BoA the security guard approached me, he asked if had ever had trouble going in the bank openly carrying my handgun as I do all the time. I said no as I have never had anyone question me before this. I have had Sheriff Deputy’s ask me what I was carrying or sometimes a person will come up and say thank you for exercising your right to carry. Most of the time I confess a little embarrassed when this happens.

    Here is why I have always carried openly first of all I rarely ever where a coat, one of the reasons I love living in Western Washington is for the most part I have little need for a coat because of that I just carry openly. I wear it when I go into any bank, Wal-Mart, Sizzler, The Aloha Kitchen (which has fantastic food by the way) Arco, 7-11 stores, anywhere you might go when you are running your errands or shopping. Never once I have ever had problem or had anything negative said.

    Which brings me to the security guard who was armed I might add. I was astounded by how uniformed most people seem to be about whether you can carry openly or not. After explaining how my right to carry is protected by our State Constitution; I really am not trying to demonstrate or force anyone to respect my rights, I simply feel that the one time I leave my gun at home will be the one time I should have had it. Just think if just one person in Colorado had brought their gun with them that night it would have been a completely different outcome.

    My personal opinion has always been that if every law abiding American Citizen carried their personal weapon with them we would see a drastic reduction in all crimes. As it is now the criminals have the upper hand as most of us do not own a gun of any kind, yet of those who do own a handgun very few choose to carry it. Even those who have concealed weapons permit do not carry every day.

    Here is what I left the security guard with, ”Every time you leave your gun at home you risk becoming another stat on the crime sheet, by carrying your weapon with you are saying to criminal element that I am armed pass on by. I am just shy of 55 and I have carried openly for 30 of those years. Of course some of that I was during my service in the Army. Still, I would sooner leave my wallet and wrist watch than leave the house without my High-Point .45, currently my favorite handgun.

    My better half also carry’s every where she goes as well, she does carry in her purse, which to this day I still think of as luggage. Any other males ever try to pick a women’s purse up? My Army back pack was not as heavy as my wife’s purse, I swear my last hernia surgery was because my attempt at picking it up for her.

    Bottom line here I would rather have answer questions, show my ID to an officer of the law if asked then be somewhere needing it and not having it.
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    As I left BoA Wednesday evening approached by a Security Guard

    HiPoint 45?

    Do they make better models? As the ones I have seen are bulky, lacking in good tolerance making tight groups difficult even in experienced hands.

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    Conversational distance. I have found that I usually do not do not decide to shoot someone until I talk to them. That puts them in "conversational distance". In the Home the average firefight occurs between seven and ten feet (across the room). I like the Highpoint for bug out bags. Stuff one or two with a hundred or so rounds in the bag and forget it til you need it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB88yKmS6co

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Conversational distance. I have found that I usually do not do not decide to shoot someone until I talk to them. That puts them in "conversational distance". In the Home the average firefight occurs between seven and ten feet (across the room). I like the Highpoint for bug out bags. Stuff one or two with a hundred or so rounds in the bag and forget it til you need it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB88yKmS6co

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_.45_ACP
    +1, I keep a high point 9 mm in my bug out bag with 500 rounds.
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    I almost took my cyanide pills ... lucky I got to the end of that paragraph first ! Whew.

    BoA sent me a letter noticing possible foreclosure one time when I switched from sending in a check to auto-withdraw; the first month they should have auto-withdrew the funds they did not & sent me a nice foreclosure letter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino1121 View Post
    I have no problem with that after all I pay for my membership and in doing so I agree to their rules.
    Did you? The agreement I signed didn't include that rule. As it happens, Costco maintains a list of corporate memos that are considered binding on members, yet are not disclosed to members. Secret laws are no one's friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post


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    i know that BoA on this side of the nation, are rabid anti self defense. i am surprised that yours is not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    I banked with BOA in Port Orchard up until a couple months back when I closed my 4 accounts due to their...... never mind...

    I have seen their guards.

    Never have any of them been armed.

    When did this change?

    Even after closing the accounts, 2 months later to be exact, I get a notice of a savings account overdrawn... This was an account that had been closed!!!

    Is this ANY Better?
    I think they started arming after the Occupy Seattle clowns began disrupting bank functions.

    I've seen them a handful of times at the PO BoA, white shirts, black pants, gunbelt with handcuffs and revolver (they actually carry .357s) and speed loader pouches.
    They're always in downtown seattle standing armed watch in front of bank, at the BoA on 701 2nd Ave they're sitting there, two guards, .357s watching and questioning people who come in.
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Bite the wall grammer Nazi!!
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    "You see, grammar is very important to the Nazi Party."
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    While attending WWU I had to open an account at BoA in Bellingham (because Navy Federal was a long drive away just to get cash) and during the process of opening the account I was eventually asked to place my gun in my car and come back and finish the process.

    I did so, and opened the account.

    I desperately need a bank that corporately allows open carry. The only bank I have ever gone into so far that did not have signs that say no weapons was the WECU in Bellingham (I had also previously gone into the Wells Fargo in Bellingham but at the time never checked for a sign - but nothing was ever said to me by anyone in the bank.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difdi View Post
    Are you calling Kelsey Grammer a Nazi?
    Outing yourself much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockman View Post
    HiPoint 45?

    Do they make better models? As the ones I have seen are bulky, lacking in good tolerance making tight groups difficult even in experienced hands.
    They also have fixed barrels that offset any "loss of accuracy" due to loose tolerances. Yes they are bulky, but no more so than comparable all-steel handguns. Those who know them or approach them with an open mind generally find nothing lacking in their accuracy, and often quite the opposite. Highly tweaked race guns they are NOT, nor do they claim to be. But they are excellent at what they are made to do: Be inexpensive, reliable, and accurate. Like AK's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deanf View Post


    "You see, grammar is very important to the Nazi Party."
    SO....

    how's all that transfer to the French they would actually be speaking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    SO....

    how's all that transfer to the French they would actually be speaking?
    Well there's this abstract concept called humor..... And it doesn't require 100 percent accuracy
    they love our milk and honey, but they preach about some other way of living, when they're running down my country man they're walkin' on the fightin side of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfebane View Post
    While attending WWU I had to open an account at BoA in Bellingham (because Navy Federal was a long drive away just to get cash) and during the process of opening the account I was eventually asked to place my gun in my car and come back and finish the process.

    I did so, and opened the account.

    I desperately need a bank that corporately allows open carry. The only bank I have ever gone into so far that did not have signs that say no weapons was the WECU in Bellingham (I had also previously gone into the Wells Fargo in Bellingham but at the time never checked for a sign - but nothing was ever said to me by anyone in the bank.)
    I have had no problems at BOA.

    I have my own account at Banner, they are gun friendly, and the one teller who was robbed at gun point, said he was thinking where is Rob when you need him......lol. Banner Bank's corporate policy is to follow state law.

    Also Richard had educated Key Bank their corportate policy as far as I know is to follow state law.

    I had an account at Wells Fargo they had no problem I OC'd the whole time I opened the account.

    Other Banks I have had no issue with in Bellingham , Peoples, ICU, WECU, USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    They also have fixed barrels that offset any "loss of accuracy" due to loose tolerances. Yes they are bulky, but no more so than comparable all-steel handguns. Those who know them or approach them with an open mind generally find nothing lacking in their accuracy, and often quite the opposite. Highly tweaked race guns they are NOT, nor do they claim to be. But they are excellent at what they are made to do: Be inexpensive, reliable, and accurate. Like AK's.
    +1

    one of my favorite things to do is put a hi-point in the hands of a gun snob and tell them.. "Just shut up and shoot it" After spending some time with it, they're typically surprised that it is accurate, reliable and durable as all get out. youtube-> hi point iraqveteran8888

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