Chamber loaded or not.

ethorman · Oct 28, 2012

Just throwing it out there, all my carry guns have one in the chamber ready to go. For me as a personal preference the only thing after my draw that I have to accomplish is click the safety off, aim or point, and squeeze the trigger. (No a huge fan of glocks for this very reason, but understand they are safe, again personal pref) then rounds go down range. I picked a weapon (Para GI Expert) that has 3 safety's because of this, thumb, grip, series 80 firing pin safety so I have peace of mind when carrying one in the tube and hammer back.

I believe understanding exactly how everything in your weapon works will give anyone better piece of mind when it comes to carrying locked and cocked or unloaded. Once you realize how the safeties are incorporated into the gun may help your decision, but ultimately it's your decision.

Aknazer · Oct 29, 2012

While I don't expect the OP to come back, I did find the part relating to his question. Section 1289.13 deals with transporting firearms. It states that a gun may not be transported loaded (excluding the exceptions granted via the SDA), but that a gun may be transported clip/mag loaded and chamber empty so long as it is in a locked exterior compartment, or in the trunk, or in an interior compartment notwithstanding the provisions of 1289.7 (1289.7 states that one with a handgun license may carry a loaded handgun, and thus the gun you're carrying would not be subject to 1289.13).

Here is the law and you can see the old law along with all of the changes that take place in a few days.

hrdware · Oct 29, 2012

Aknazer said:
While I don't expect the OP to come back, I did find the part relating to his question. Section 1289.13 deals with transporting firearms. It states that a gun may not be transported loaded (excluding the exceptions granted via the SDA), but that a gun may be transported clip/mag loaded and chamber empty so long as it is in a locked exterior compartment, or in the trunk, or in an interior compartment notwithstanding the provisions of 1289.7 (1289.7 states that one with a handgun license may carry a loaded handgun, and thus the gun you're carrying would not be subject to 1289.13).

Here is the law and you can see the old law along with all of the changes that take place in a few days.

1289.13 says

Except as otherwise provided by the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act or another provision of law, it shall be unlawful to transport a loaded pistol, rifle or shotgun in a landborne motor vehicle over a public highway or roadway. However, a rifle or shotgun may be transported clip or magazine loaded and not chamber loaded when transported in an exterior locked compartment of the vehicle or trunk of the vehicle or in the interior compartment of the vehicle notwithstanding the provisions of Section 1289.7 of this title when the person is in possession of a valid handgun license pursuant to the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act.

So if a person has an SDA card, they can carry their clip or magazine loaded rifle or shotgun in the interior compartment.

Aknazer · Oct 29, 2012

hrdware said:
1289.13 says

So if a person has an SDA card, they can carry their clip or magazine loaded rifle or shotgun in the interior compartment.

They can "transport" it with the clip/mag loaded but the chamber unloaded. The "carry" bit is covered under the 1289.13 portion. And thanks for pointing out that to transport it with the mag/clip loaded one still needs to have an SDA card as I missed that the first time. But it appears that the question comes down to carry vs transport and the type of weapon. So never say you are "transporting" your EDC somewhere!

Grapeshot · Oct 29, 2012

To the OP and everyone else:

If you find a better, more functional, effective forum that defends and promotes open carry (& things related) then you have followed the yellow brick road to the new & improved OCDO - none better.

If you look long and hard, you will more likely than not come to the same conclusion.

That is all I have to say on this.

The Dove · Oct 30, 2012

I carry daily and do not have one in the chamber. That is my choice and that is what I do. Other people may feel/do otherwise. I don't care what they do. They, should'nt care what I do. As long as we are carrying, to each his own------ the bad guy's sure don't.....

The Dove

Shoobee · Oct 30, 2012

It seems self evidently true that if you have a reason to pull a gun out of your gunsafe for any reason, then it should be chambered with a round, and you should be able to shoot the gun quickly and with one hand, since that would be the main and most dire reason for pulling the gun out of the gunsafe.

Thus if you are wearing a gun on your person, it should also always be chambered with a round, for the same reason.

The only time that it would make sense not to have a round chambered would be due to some form of regulation, ergo a higher power (the state) dictating what you should or should not do.

So check your local laws, first, and once you know how far you are allowed to go, go all the way.

Otherwise it is not really your gun. It then de facto belongs to anyone who can take it away from you, which comes down to a simple wrestling match, if you cannot draw it and shoot it with one hand fast enough to defend it.

The Dove · Oct 30, 2012

Shoobee

Hey Shoobee, do you happen to have a book out that I could buy and read? With the knowledge you spread, I gotta get your book.

The Dove

Fallschirjmäger · Oct 30, 2012

Not a thing wrong with carrying a defensive pistol with the chamber empty as anyone who's done so and survived an encounter will assure you; they had the time and ability to chamber a round before needing to use the pistol. Those who Didn't survive a defensive encounter because they a) didn't have time to chamber a round and/or b) didn't have a hand free to chamber a round won't disagree... they're likely too busy being dead.

As long as you can assure yourself that--
1) You'll have enough forewarning that you're going to need your pistol so that you can chamber a round
2) You'll never be desperately fighting for your life with your weak hand at the same time as you could be loading your pistol
3) You'll never have your off-hand injured and useless
4) You'll never be holding on to your wife/girlfriend/mistress/boyfriend/husband/significant other's hand when attacked
5) You'll never be holding a briefcase, grocery bag, diaper bag, or any thing that you'll have to devote more than .10 second to decide what to do with when attacked.
6) You'll never have a leash wrapped around your hand, or have your hand restraining a rambunctious dog, or holding on to an infant
7) You'll never have your hand or arm grabbed in a desperate clinging-on-for-dear-life wife/girlfriend/mistress/boyfriend/husband/significant other.
.... you'll be just fine and peachy keen.

Myself, I prefer to minimize the odds against me and maximize the odds in my favor. I'm not gonna tell you what to do though.

Gary S · Oct 30, 2012

The Dove said:
I carry daily and do not have one in the chamber. That is my choice and that is what I do. Other people may feel/do otherwise. I don't care what they do. They, should'nt care what I do. As long as we are carrying, to each his own------ the bad guy's sure don't.....

The Dove

You are right about your choice and nobody should care what or how you carry, but i promise you the bad guy always has one chambered before they walk out of there house to do what they already know they are going to do. Stay safe.

Aknazer · Oct 31, 2012

Gary S said:
You are right about your choice and nobody should care what or how you carry, but i promise you the bad guy always has one chambered before they walk out of there house to do what they already know they are going to do. Stay safe.

Well, except for that one criminal who robbed a store with the slide locked back cuz he racked it with an empty mag and didn't know how to fix it. Of course the store employees didn't know any better and complied with his demands...

Fallschirjmäger · Oct 31, 2012

Gary S said:
You are right about your choice and nobody should care what or how you carry, but i promise you the bad guy always has one chambered before they walk out of there house to do what they already know they are going to do. Stay safe.

Aknazer said:
Well, except for that one criminal who robbed a store with the slide locked back cuz he racked it with an empty mag and didn't know how to fix it. Of course the store employees didn't know any better and complied with his demands...

Rhetorically, wouldn't that be the "exception that proves the rule"?
Now, if Gary S had said "Any Smart bad guy always ensures he has one chambered before he leaves the house..." we wouldn't be able to sharpshoot him.

But then, you have to ask yourself, "am I smarter than some dumb crook that left the house with an unloaded gun?"

Grapeshot · Oct 31, 2012

The Dove said:
Hey Shoobee, do you happen to have a book out that I could buy and read? With the knowledge you spread, I gotta get your book.

The Dove

Each one of us is obviously entitled to make our own choices within what the law allows in how we carry.

What we do not do here on OCDO is insult directly or indirectly by innuendo others for their participation in a discussion. Wanna read my book?

It can be found here

I'm also of the opinion that carrying with an empty chamber is less than optimal. My holstered handgun is not a pretty paper weight. I have considered and practiced drawing and firing with only my less dominate hand - simulating an injury - its an interesting exercise.

Gary S · Oct 31, 2012

Aknazer said:
Well, except for that one criminal who robbed a store with the slide locked back cuz he racked it with an empty mag and didn't know how to fix it. Of course the store employees didn't know any better and complied with his demands...

Now if only one of the employees had a firearm without one chambered they could have beat each other with there expensive hammers while waiting for the cops

The Dove · Oct 31, 2012

Grapeshot

Grapeshot

I think you think I was being sarcastic to Shoobee???? I wasn't. I liked the way he put his opinion out there using the gun safe/cabinet, etc.... Sorry if I came across otherwise but I actually liked what the man said and how he put it.

The Dove

Grapeshot · Oct 31, 2012

The Dove said:
Grapeshot

I think you think I was being sarcastic to Shoobee???? I wasn't. I liked the way he put his opinion out there using the gun safe/cabinet, etc.... Sorry if I came across otherwise but I actually liked what the man said and how he put it.

The Dove

Appreciate it. I did think so. You weren't, so no foul, no penalty. Will call it an inadvertent flag drop.

The Dove · Oct 31, 2012

Good deal Grapeshot and Shoobee. I will still keep the chamber free and cleared. I have that choice you know..... HAHA

The Dove

OldCurlyWolf · Oct 31, 2012

Amigatec said:
This will be my last post here.

This place seems very unfriendly.

Sounds like you have a personal problem to me.

With that attitude I do no doubt that your list of friends needs anything more than a very small post-it note to contain the entire list.

Bye

For Grapeshot: I am being sarcastic. It is not nice, I know, but sometimes......

Grapeshot · Oct 31, 2012

OldCurlyWolf said:
Sounds like you have a personal problem to me.

With that attitude I do no doubt that your list of friends needs anything more than a very small post-it note to contain the entire list.

Bye

For Grapeshot: I am being sarcastic. It is not nice, I know, but sometimes......

I always believe it is better to let those that are not comfortable here depart in silence - not having the last word. Maybe they can be converted later if we do not "help them out" or insult them. It's always hard to tell what another person really is thinking until you get to know them better.

Shoobee · Oct 31, 2012

Fallschirmjäger said:
Not a thing wrong with carrying a defensive pistol with the chamber empty as anyone who's done so and survived an encounter will assure you; they had the time and ability to chamber a round before needing to use the pistol. Those who Didn't survive a defensive encounter because they a) didn't have time to chamber a round and/or b) didn't have a hand free to chamber a round won't disagree... they're likely too busy being dead.

As long as you can assure yourself that--
1) You'll have enough forewarning that you're going to need your pistol so that you can chamber a round
2) You'll never be desperately fighting for your life with your weak hand at the same time as you could be loading your pistol
3) You'll never have your off-hand injured and useless
4) You'll never be holding on to your wife/girlfriend/mistress/boyfriend/husband/significant other's hand when attacked
5) You'll never be holding a briefcase, grocery bag, diaper bag, or any thing that you'll have to devote more than .10 second to decide what to do with when attacked.
6) You'll never have a leash wrapped around your hand, or have your hand restraining a rambunctious dog, or holding on to an infant
7) You'll never have your hand or arm grabbed in a desperate clinging-on-for-dear-life wife/girlfriend/mistress/boyfriend/husband/significant other.
.... you'll be just fine and peachy keen.

Myself, I prefer to minimize the odds against me and maximize the odds in my favor. I'm not gonna tell you what to do though.

I imagine that being dead keeps a person very busy. Ha ha! Brilliantly put.

Normally in all my contingency planning, I too like Jaeger try to figure out what things can get you dead, and then I try to work around those, with a hypothetical failure analysis intent on avoiding death.

The dead know only that it is better to be alive.

Life again is the thing Jesus promises the dead. Thus life must be pretty good.

As Achilles in The Illiad pointed out, nobody lives forever. Not much sense in cutting it short though, especially unnecessarily.

Jager summarizes the contingenies fairly well. Bravo.

Chamber loaded or not.

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